I'm glad you decided to do this video even though someone else already used the song. This was so sad a beautiful. I think the lyrics really fit what Logan must be feeling.
I just couldn't resist. Everytime I'd here the end of this song, the images were just coming into my brain and I was dying to see it played out. I'm so glad you liked it. And, yeah, I think it does fit Logan extremely well, hence the images hitting my brain practically forcing me to make this
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Of course it is okay to talk. That's why we are here isn't it? I've never made a vid but I love watching them. It helps with the waiting.
Before the last episode aired it seemed as if they were holding up each character in turn and saying 'maybe he is the killer.' I didn't think that any of them would have done it but I was so uncertain because I didn't know how far Rob was willing to go for the story.
I feel that same uncertainty now. I don't know what he is going to do with Logan, or Duncan and Veroncia either. Real life and Television have different rules and I'm not sure which ones Rob is following at any given time.
Prior to the finale, I didn't really have a guess as to who it'd be. I didn't believe at all that it could be Duncan or Logan, though. Duncan would have been a boring, expected conclusion, so that's out. And there's no way I could see UPN letting them take Logan out of the show, since he's obviously an incredibly popular character. It would be ratings suicide, I think. Logan's thread on TWoP, last I checked, was like 4 (maybe 5) times longer than Veronica's. So, yeah, it'd be crazy to lose that character. I guess I didn't suspect Aaron because I loved the scenes between Logan and his dad, so I didn't think they would want to lose that character. I guess, though, it was planned for Aaron to be the killer from the beginning (or close to the beginning), so Rob probably decided long before audience reaction came into play as far as those scenes go
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I am so glad I read the Ask Ausiello spoilers. I feared for the show after reading what Wanda had to say. I think I am going to try to just avoid the spoilers from now on. They are too hard on my fannish little heart.
I actually picked Aaron on the TWoP poll of who the killer was they had earlier in the season. He was the only one I saw being capable of murder. As more episodes aired it seemed like Rob was implying that Duncan, Logan, and Weevil were also capable and they were each hiding something from Veronica. I didn't actually believe that any of them were capable of murder but I felt that Rob was going to save one last fact for the last episode that would change everything. That fact turned out to be Lilly and Aaron's affair. I shouldn't have been so worried for the boys, especially Logan. I guess I just fell into Rob's trap
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Hmmm, yeah, I hated on "Dawson's Creek" how Pacey and Dawson handled the whole Joey thing. You've probably seen it, but it was the same situation. Two best friends in love with the same girl. They never really got their friendship back, at least never became as close as they were, after Dawson found out about Pacey and Joey. I have no desire to see that storyline all over again. Gag. This show is just better quality than DC, though, so I bet it'll be interesting however they handle it
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Sorry for the late reply. Summer is great for off line things but it is cutting into my on-line time. There have been days that I haven't even seen a computer
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I didn't really get into DC until WAY late in the game. I watched most of it on reruns in syndication, I think just because so many other people I knew had watched it and I had the time. You didn't miss much though. It's definitely not one of my favorite shows. It had many a flaw
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I have to admit right off that I did look at more spoilers. I have a hard time resisting when there aren't any new episodes to distract me. I am going to try not to do it again but right now I have no confidence in my abilities to resist. I haven't studied the spoilers, and this isn't really the place for them, so I won't discuss them here
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Part 1 of 4 - Yeah, this post is insanely long. This comment is over 3 and a half pages in Microsoft Word, so I'm just putting it up in four parts. This could be the longest LJ post ever! VM, it's so chat-worthy
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I am really enjoying your posts. I definitely don't mind you making long posts, especially if you don't mind me taking my time to respond to them
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It sounds like we are on the same page with spoilers. That's good. We can imply all we want about them without spoiling anyone else. Still, if you want to move this somewhere else just let me know.
I guess we'll try to keep it here for now. I think you know more than me, and I don't want to be any more spoiled. I guess we can just make vague references to spoilers if we feel it's necessary for whatever we're trying to say and think the other person already knows.
When Duncan told him he had become a bad person Logan took it seriously and then decided that it was true. It's hard to say how much Logan would have changed after that without all of the family stuff going on but I think he would have made an effort.I think the thing is that Logan was probably able to previously repress a lot of the feelings of guilt that generally come with being a bad person. Up to that point, he was able to just tell himself that he deserved to act the way he was acting. After Duncan said that, he realized that excuse was stupid. I
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I think the confrontation with Duncan tore down a wall that Logan had built up, which led to his ability to say what he said to Ms. James.
Very good point. This also is what allows Veronica to remember that their relationship wasn't always so confrontational.
I agree that Logan would have probably made an effort to change after the fight with Duncan. However, without all the family stuff, Logan wouldn't have had a reason to go to Veronica.
It always leads back to V. It has to, it's her show. I wonder what would have happened if it hadn't led to Veronica. Keith still would have been able to clear Able but would Beaver have been so willing to talk to V if he hadn't had believed that Logan want to off her? Even if he had V wouldn't have had that reminder of hiding things in vents. It would have been just Duncan and Logan as suspects with Weevil as an outside chance. Aaron would have gotten away with it. So the LoVe story helped the Lilly plot along as well as give us so great scenes.
Part 2 of 3 actually (not 2 like I said before - I really do write a lot)
I think Logan wouldn't have understood why Duncan was backing off but would have tried to respect it. He knew he came off as crazy. Duncan was uncomfortable with the crazy so he would tone it down for him. That could be why Duncan didn't know that Logan was sitting in a hotel in L.A. waiting for his mother.This is also a great point. Once Logan comes to Veronica for help, he says, resolutely, "Veronica, she's not dead." It's like he's daring her to disagree with him. You can see how much effort he's putting into everything he says to her in an effort to get her to see things from his perspective. He knows how he sounds, but he doesn't want her thinking he's crazy, too. I also just plain love that he came to her. He could have gone to any PI in town, but he goes to Veronica. Why? Because she's his last connection to the good old days. Duncan has now abandoned him in this, thinking he's nuts. And obviously Logan's other friends (such as Dick) aren't
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It seems to me that Duncan played the same role in Logan's social life that his mother played in his family life. The parallels are in how Lilly treated Logan badly while Duncan just stayed out of it.That's definitely an interesting point. I can understand Duncan's staying out of the Lilly/Logan relationship a lot more than Lynn's not doing anything about Aaron's abuse of Logan, though. With Lilly and Logan, I can understand Duncan telling himself that he had no business prying into their relationship. I think he must have been in a terrible position, really, for a lot of that. He's stuck with his sister and his best friend fighting all the time, and I'm guessing they were very much pulling him in two different directions. Plus, even if Duncan had tried to warn Logan away from Lilly at some point, Logan falls so deeply in love that I don't think it would have mattered. Honestly, I think that if Lilly had lived, there's even still a chance that if she decided at some point she wanted Logan back, she could have gotten
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Before the last episode aired it seemed as if they were holding up each character in turn and saying 'maybe he is the killer.' I didn't think that any of them would have done it but I was so uncertain because I didn't know how far Rob was willing to go for the story.
I feel that same uncertainty now. I don't know what he is going to do with Logan, or Duncan and Veroncia either. Real life and Television have different rules and I'm not sure which ones Rob is following at any given time.
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I actually picked Aaron on the TWoP poll of who the killer was they had earlier in the season. He was the only one I saw being capable of murder. As more episodes aired it seemed like Rob was implying that Duncan, Logan, and Weevil were also capable and they were each hiding something from Veronica. I didn't actually believe that any of them were capable of murder but I felt that Rob was going to save one last fact for the last episode that would change everything. That fact turned out to be Lilly and Aaron's affair. I shouldn't have been so worried for the boys, especially Logan. I guess I just fell into Rob's trap ( ... )
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It sounds like we are on the same page with spoilers. That's good. We can imply all we want about them without spoiling anyone else. Still, if you want to move this somewhere else just let me know.
I guess we'll try to keep it here for now. I think you know more than me, and I don't want to be any more spoiled. I guess we can just make vague references to spoilers if we feel it's necessary for whatever we're trying to say and think the other person already knows.
When Duncan told him he had become a bad person Logan took it seriously and then decided that it was true. It's hard to say how much Logan would have changed after that without all of the family stuff going on but I think he would have made an effort.I think the thing is that Logan was probably able to previously repress a lot of the feelings of guilt that generally come with being a bad person. Up to that point, he was able to just tell himself that he deserved to act the way he was acting. After Duncan said that, he realized that excuse was stupid. I ( ... )
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Very good point. This also is what allows Veronica to remember that their relationship wasn't always so confrontational.
I agree that Logan would have probably made an effort to change after the fight with Duncan. However, without all the family stuff, Logan wouldn't have had a reason to go to Veronica.
It always leads back to V. It has to, it's her show. I wonder what would have happened if it hadn't led to Veronica. Keith still would have been able to clear Able but would Beaver have been so willing to talk to V if he hadn't had believed that Logan want to off her? Even if he had V wouldn't have had that reminder of hiding things in vents. It would have been just Duncan and Logan as suspects with Weevil as an outside chance. Aaron would have gotten away with it. So the LoVe story helped the Lilly plot along as well as give us so great scenes.
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I think Logan wouldn't have understood why Duncan was backing off but would have tried to respect it. He knew he came off as crazy. Duncan was uncomfortable with the crazy so he would tone it down for him. That could be why Duncan didn't know that Logan was sitting in a hotel in L.A. waiting for his mother.This is also a great point. Once Logan comes to Veronica for help, he says, resolutely, "Veronica, she's not dead." It's like he's daring her to disagree with him. You can see how much effort he's putting into everything he says to her in an effort to get her to see things from his perspective. He knows how he sounds, but he doesn't want her thinking he's crazy, too. I also just plain love that he came to her. He could have gone to any PI in town, but he goes to Veronica. Why? Because she's his last connection to the good old days. Duncan has now abandoned him in this, thinking he's nuts. And obviously Logan's other friends (such as Dick) aren't ( ... )
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It seems to me that Duncan played the same role in Logan's social life that his mother played in his family life. The parallels are in how Lilly treated Logan badly while Duncan just stayed out of it.That's definitely an interesting point. I can understand Duncan's staying out of the Lilly/Logan relationship a lot more than Lynn's not doing anything about Aaron's abuse of Logan, though. With Lilly and Logan, I can understand Duncan telling himself that he had no business prying into their relationship. I think he must have been in a terrible position, really, for a lot of that. He's stuck with his sister and his best friend fighting all the time, and I'm guessing they were very much pulling him in two different directions. Plus, even if Duncan had tried to warn Logan away from Lilly at some point, Logan falls so deeply in love that I don't think it would have mattered. Honestly, I think that if Lilly had lived, there's even still a chance that if she decided at some point she wanted Logan back, she could have gotten ( ... )
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