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Yes, I know I'm desperate

Feb 19, 2009 15:05

*waves* Sigh, I'm definitely of the thinking that NCIS Headslaps have now gone the way of the dinosaur and that the pc workplace police got to NCIS. *grumbles*

( 2 spoilery icons and reaction to Bounce under the cut )

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xanthe February 19 2009, 08:58:46 UTC

There were some great moments and a lot of slash potential. Overall I found myself cringing a bit and some of the characterisation was weird, but it was better than some of the eps this season. Lovely icons!

liresius February 19 2009, 15:37:24 UTC

Yes, definitely some great slash potential moments. Loved it when Abby walked in on their moment together and hoped someone would tell her about it. Gibbs and tony were so up close and personal it was hard to think she meant anything else *g*

I was really cringing for Tony, over the case, but at the same time didn't think it was believable that they couldn't have done the IT stuff themselves to work it out 4 years ago. And even though T was boss, it's reasonable to think that McGee and Ziva must have worked on it too, but they didn't seem to take any responsibility.

I just couldn't get with the idea that Jimmy was Tony's confidante either. I was definitely cringing through that as it seemes as if they were shooting for humorous, but it didn't mesh with Tony throughout the ep.

Thanks re the icons - they were just quickies.

xanthe February 19 2009, 21:56:34 UTC

I agree - Ziva and McGee didn't seem to think it was anything to do with them and yet McGee certainly must have been involved in the computer logs that were falsified - didn't he spot that? Nobody except Tony took any blame. And actually that's typical of Tony but I felt very sorry for him. I thought Tim in particular didn't treat him at all well. And what was the Jimmy thing all about?! Everyone seems to have gone "huh?" over that scene. my take on it was that as he got no support from his actual TEAM - ie Ziva and Gibbs, he had to have SOMEONE to mull things over with. But Jimmy? I'd have bought Abby or Ducky more!

liresius February 20 2009, 04:34:13 UTC

Yes, I thought Tim was such a GIRL asking Ziva how she felt about T being the boss and when he didn't get the response he wanted, he still pursued it like a whiny teen. And then I had some severe twitches at Tim pulling that face at Tony's request to pretend he was Gibbs. That face seemed so utterly contemptuous and dismissive of Tony's status as team leader ( ... )

xanthe February 20 2009, 08:07:38 UTC

I found Tim to be quite a problem in the ep. His complete lack of willingness to help Tony made me seriously pissed off with him.

It was quite clear they were mirroring the Ducky/Gibbs relationship in the Jimmy/Tony thing - I just didn't think it worked. It was so forced, and there was no sense of a fondness or friendship underlying it, which is the basis of Ducky/Gibbs. Also we know Ducky is a wise old head whereas Jimmy hasn't been anything except a bit of an idiot to date. I could have bought it more if there had been some acknowledgement of a friendship between Tony and Jimmy. On the other hand, I was glad Tony HAD Jimmy because it was a function Tim or Ziva should have fulfilled for him but didn't. Even Gibbs let him down a bit - his lack of contributions during campfire for example. Tony is clearly someone who needs to talk cases through and Gibbs didn't give him anything very much there. Jimmy was the only one who really let him do that.

liresius February 21 2009, 04:49:41 UTC

To be honest, I've never really enjoyed the Tony/Tim relationship. I find it too antagonistic on Tony's part, even though it's supposed to be friendly ribbing, and Tim is so prissy about things, the whole thing makes me squirm ( ... )

skalja February 21 2009, 08:34:31 UTC

See, this is why TPTB need to actually keep one or two of their token "non-Gibbs' team" agents around, instead of either banishing them off to the ether or killing them. As much as I like Jimmy, even Nikki Jardine would have made more sense as Tony's confidante. Heck, she would have worked fine - she and Tony went off to Baghdad together, so that's a perfectly legitimate backstory for having formed a connection.

On another note, I actually like Tony and Tim's relationship, but in terms of their antagonism I think Tim is the quieter but meaner one. Tony definitely started out as the hazer, and he talks more trash, but all the Mc___ silliness and the nerdbashing - that's penny ante stuff. Tim doesn't insult Tony as often, but when he does, he goes straight for the jugular, for things he knows will hurt Tony deeply. Examples: his comments about Jeanne a few episodes ago, or his undercutting Tony as leader back in season 4, despite (as we just found out for sure) having genuinely thought he made a good boss. Eek ( ... )

liresius February 21 2009, 09:15:21 UTC

this is why TPTB need to actually keep one or two of their token "non-Gibbs' team" agents around

Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing!

Those stroking moments ... I wish there were a few more of them. You're right about the relationship too. I like the Mc_____ stuff and nerding bashing as a viewer, but seeing how Tim reacts sometimes makes me uncomfortably aware that I'd get quiet and mean, if it went on like that for years. I'd probably strangle Tony, even though he means it non-maliciously.

skalja February 21 2009, 09:35:12 UTC

Well, if I were in Tim's place, I'd definitely have quietly but firmly told Tony to knock it the eff off if he didn't want his mocha spiked with Ex-Lax one fine morning. Just because it's not malicious doesn't mean it's not annoying. But if it's not malicious, then presumably Tony would stop if he was actually asked to do so - the question is why Tim hasn't asked. (Macho pride?)

liresius February 21 2009, 10:03:20 UTC

Yes, I would try that too at first. In fact, I think Tim did flip out about it a few seasons ago - the probie thing at least, and Gibbs told him it was meant affectionately - and that he was still a probie himself to his Boss. I think Tim has actually said to knock it off at least one other time, but that's not as an overall thing, just that incident.

I suspect Tim thinks it's not going to have any effect anyway. Tony IS irrepressible! I'd like to think Tim can't bear to take the joy from Tony, but that's my slashy glasses on there, so I don't really understand Tim.

xanthe February 21 2009, 08:59:51 UTC

I watched it again last night and appreciated it a bit more I think. I am still not impressed with Tim and Ziva but I do understand your point re Gibbs. I just thought, seeing as he said it wasn't his job to talk things through before but clearly can do it quite adequately, that he might have been more helpful to Tony in that respect but you're right about him allowing Tony to have the kudos at the end. That makes sense ( ... )

liresius February 21 2009, 09:38:42 UTC

it wasn't his job to talk things through before

Just sitting here thinking about my reply, but wanted to clarify this first - by "before" do you mean Gibbs said this in another ep?

xanthe February 21 2009, 09:49:55 UTC

Nope - in this one. He talks to Ziva and Tim and they are suprised he's said so much as he doesn't usually and he says "it wasn't my job before". So he CAN do it - he just doesn't see it as his job to do it usually.

liresius February 21 2009, 10:37:13 UTC

Oh right! I just had a quick look at that scene again. yes.

still not impressed with Tim and Ziva Yes, you're right. They didn't offer much verbal support, although they hopped to it when Tony gave them anything to do.

The more I think about this whole ep, it seems like TPTB really wanted to pile the pressure on him, take away all Tony's normal supports and to underscore that leading was a lonely job, (drinking bourbon alone in a basement with a boat) and also, happily, that there were rewards too in the eventual solving of it.

First, the osake hangover from hell, Tim and Ziva kind of being just worker bees instead of his mates, Abby constantly comparing him to Gibbs and finding him wanting ( ... )

xanthe February 22 2009, 12:18:55 UTC

I think Tim has always given as good as he gets where Tony is concerned and he doesn't seem to credit Tony with the good stuff he does and the fun he brings. I just rewatched Agent Afloat and Tim is really missing Tony. He seems to have forgotten that by this ep.

I dunno - I think Tony is a very annoying person to have around but in the same way as an annoying puppy is, always wanting you to play or stealing your food or attacking you because he wants a play-fight. Tim's responses sometimes go beyond hitting Tony over the nose with a rolled up newspaper and are more like a well aimed kick to the balls *g*.

liresius February 21 2009, 12:50:56 UTC

Oh I totally forgot to mention your The War of the Roses analogy! OMG, yes! Perfect, in a painful way, for them! LOL!

Re Jimmy, I just watched it again and Tony says, "Thanks, AGAIN", as if they'd done this before. When? And before that Jimmy says he "stocked up again (the coffee, presumably?), just in case". In case of what? I don't get it! Hm, I'm quite puzzled about this scene. I feel like I'm missing some clever in-joke or reference.

Absolutely right on Tony being more fond too, because when Kate/Ziva/Tim have missed Tony or he's deathly ill or kidnapped, they inevitably end up discovering Tony has done SOMETHING to piss them off. So any reserves of affection they might store up to bring out in needed times is soon torpedoed, by Tony's very own backdated actions. You could suspect that T does it on purpose, to ensure that people don't soften towards him in his absence or when he's vulnerable ... something you have explored actually ;)

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