Comments | nbc_revolution: Theory on the Rachel-Miles-Charlie Connection

kathrynthegr8 in nbc_revolution

Theory on the Rachel-Miles-Charlie Connection

Nov 30, 2012 11:22

I am re-watching Kashmir and the finale because of reasons. And many things have occurred to me. I'm going to put them behind a cut. I would love your opinions and thoughts!

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corycides November 30 2012, 18:07:06 UTC

Even though I haven't given up on my 'Charlie, I am your father' from Bass, this hangs together pretty well. There was something odd between Miles and Rachel both times they met (though that could be down to Billy Burke being able to have chemistry with a tree). She surrendered to *Miles*, after all ( ... )

kathrynthegr8 November 30 2012, 18:42:57 UTC

I've thought of that (the arrest) and maybe the militia put out a decree about one member from each family volunteering or somesuch. I mean, this country has a draft... And maybe when they were setting up they needed bodies. As to why she went and Ben didn't? I have no idea. Maybe she thought with their past he would let her go, or that she could protect her family better by influencing him.

Also! The Star Wars thing! Even the writers say that there are parallels. That Miles is a Han Solo type. I can only imagine what Monroe might say to Charlie if they ever crossed swords. He would so be the one to tell her "Miles is your father". It would hurt her and he could use it as leverage/revenge against Miles.

Yes to everything you said about Ben wanting Miles to have some kind of relationship with his kid!

(And damn you Billy! Why so smexy with everyone you share screen time with?!)

kathrynthegr8 November 30 2012, 18:50:00 UTC

Also! Norah's sister being mad at Norah for being with Miles after "What he did to you", uh being involved with Rachel and Norah at the same time? Anyone?

Yeah, the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

corycides November 30 2012, 19:17:05 UTC

And Nora's 'I fought for us'

She did give Rachel an odd look when she came out of the power plant didn't she? It could have been just 'what? isn't she dead?' but maybe not?

evenstar1002 November 30 2012, 18:21:50 UTC

Well... I guess it could be... You've pointed out some very interesting facts...

I just really hope you're wrong... It's nothing personal.. I just love Marlie way too much and them being father/daughter would totally kill me lol

kathrynthegr8 November 30 2012, 18:45:57 UTC

Oh, I hope I'm wrong too! I ship Miles/Charlie pretty hard myself.

(Not that characters being related has ever stopped me from shipping them before...)

I just can't get this out of my head. But I think I'm right.

evenstar1002 November 30 2012, 20:32:04 UTC

Argh!! Now I'm scared that you might be right :-O i can NOT ship a father with his daughter...

flareonfury November 30 2012, 22:57:10 UTC

I don't really have that feel, but it is a good theory. Mainly I thought of Rachel's comment "Did he hurt you?" was because of how Miles used to be ex-Militia general and how he was ruthless, etc and the fact that he had handcuffed her & took her away from her family. I mean it's quite possible for Bass or Miles to be Charlie's real father, but I hope they won't go that front, because I like the family dynamic as it is.

Either way, I'll still ship Charlie/Miles. ♥

yourstar202 December 1 2012, 00:28:38 UTC

ITA with you! With the exception that if they pull "miles being her dad" route, I will no longer be on the Miles/Charlie train

mustbethursday3 November 30 2012, 23:40:34 UTC

This is my least favorite of all the theories...

I'm with evenstar1002 too - I'd have to get off the Marlie train. Which would suck more than I can imagine. It would just suck. I love them so much.

Poke holes you say? Well, okay...if you want me to.

(And this kind of post is completely welcome - half the fun is Speculation!)

Miles has an actual brother. Which points to some distance between Miles and Ben. Maybe they were never that close? Hard to say with what we've seen. We do know that Ben called Miles right before the blackout, which I take to mean he loved his brother, even if they weren't close.I've always imagined they were close, before. The way Miles answered the phone suggests it - the fact that, that was the last call Ben made, that he's been calling and calling trying to warn him. He didn't call Rachel on the way home to warn her, he was focused on someone who would have no clue what was going on. His little brother ( ... )

mustbethursday3 November 30 2012, 23:43:50 UTC

The Matheson children themselves. One is healthy and one is not. That could mean nothing, or it might mean that Danny's health problems are genetic and came from Ben. While Charlie is healthy because she is Miles's kid.

I've always thought Ben had hidden strength, which clashes with what we've seen in flashbacks so far, I know. And while Charlie might behave as Rachel would, she has the strength of her convictions behind her, she has Ben's ability to stay calm, get things done. And while I see the similar aspects in Miles and Charlie's personalities and behaviours - I don't think it's because she's his kid.

Plus, I always flip it around - if Charlie could be fathered by someone else, what about Danny? What if Danny was Miles' kid...my jaw would drop and I would be speechless for a few days. Because that would be hilarious and also, we'd probably have to kill him off. Danny I'm sorry but now you're too big a story and we would prefer to explore others. If Danny's not Ben's, it'd explain Ben's disconnect during the ultrasound. It'd ( ... )

mustbethursday3 November 30 2012, 23:47:06 UTC

Now here's my theory ( ... )

mustbethursday3 November 30 2012, 23:55:58 UTC

There's some holes for you, but end of the day it's just one person's opinion. It can't really sway your own (or anyone else's) if you see things differently than I do. I don't think the Show would go there - mainly because that'd be really cliche (not to mention, make the lingering glances and chemistry REALLY AWKWARD) and Revolution seems to be taking broad strokes to create this huge world full of broken people while avoiding the obvious cliches - ie ( ... )

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mustbethursday3 November 30 2012, 23:58:45 UTC

*laughs and looks at own comments*

I wrote a lot of words...

I think you hit a sore spot XD

boutondor December 1 2012, 00:40:35 UTC

I agree so much with so many things you've said!

Like you and evenstar1002, I couldn't ship Miles and Charlie if it turned out that he was her biological father. I already have major issues about them being uncle/niece - I mostly pretend that they're not - I couldn't handle father/daughter.

Also, I simply don't like the idea of Rachel sleeping with Ben's brother. That's such a low thing to do that I hope Rachel's never done it. I would be far more accepting if Rachel had slept with Bass (and if Charlie happened to be Bass' kid then massive yay).

I've always imagined they were close, before. The way Miles answered the phone suggests it - the fact that, that was the last call Ben made, that he's been calling and calling trying to warn him. He didn't call Rachel on the way home to warn her, he was focused on someone who would have no clue what was going on. His little brother.So do I! The way he said "Benjamin" and had to pick up because it was his brother calling seemed to indicate that Miles has a lot of affection for his brother. I also don't ( ... )

kathrynthegr8 December 1 2012, 04:57:20 UTC

- He ultimately did go with her. And she wasn't alone when she showed up. Certain death? Maybe. But maybe her showing up and telling him that his brother died really fucked him up. And now there's his kid, and she has no idea she's his kid, and he never intended to be apart of her life except as some absentee uncle. So he didn't jump at the chance to be her new parental figure. It makes sense.

- The show is like Star Wars, not an exact copy. Not everything in the show fits, but they love their references. And the surprise!dad thing is a big one. It doesn't have to be the big bad. As long as it propels the story forward, makes for good drama, and gives someone a chance to do the big reveal? Yeah. They aren't passing that up.

boutondor December 1 2012, 09:12:02 UTC

He ultimately did go with her. And she wasn't alone when she showed up. Certain death? Maybe. But maybe her showing up and telling him that his brother died really fucked him up. And now there's his kid, and she has no idea she's his kid, and he never intended to be apart of her life except as some absentee uncle. So he didn't jump at the chance to be her new parental figure. It makes sense.I still think this is a bit of a stretch as an argument proving Charlie is Miles' kid. You're saying that Miles helps Charlie because she's his child while there could be many other reasons why he decides to help her at the beginning: the Militia is after him anyway so what the hell, revenge his brother's death, as loyalty to his brother, because he saw Charlie's vulnerability during the attack and decides that he wants to protect her, she came back for him so he decides to help her, etc ( ... )

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