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Jun 27, 2009 09:05

I cant believe the lack of talk amongst people i know about michael jackson dying... and none of you have posted anything about it either ( Read more... )

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visualsounds June 27 2009, 20:31:42 UTC
Well, part of it is that he hasn't produced anything in a good while, so it doesn't really feel like we've lost any sort of future masterpieces.

And this, to me, is pretty much the only reason to mourn celebrities over any one else.

I personally find it a lot more tragic and worth noting that since the start of the year nearly a couple thousand children have been killed or abducted in Uganda, and who knows what great things they could have produced for the world but will never have the chance to.

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muffinmanjonas June 28 2009, 15:05:11 UTC
well he was working with wil.i.am on his new album and timbaland was going to produce it. so i dunno if anything good was gonna come out of that, but possibly.

i dont recall saying his death was tragic. it was tragic in terms of his age, people shouldnt die at 50. but in no way do i find it very tragic, and certainly not more tragic than other deaths.

people tend to mourn the death of people who meant something to their lives. celebrities touch more lives than the average person, so a lot of people mourn them. it is the same reason they are rich, mass appeal. i dont think most people mourn a celebrity more than someone they know personally.

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visualsounds June 29 2009, 22:08:42 UTC
Well, I didn't know that, but still.

You didn't say it was tragic but being surprised that no one has commented on it seems out of place considering other current events. I compare levels of tragedy in terms of them being noteworthy or not. I'd comment on other, bigger, things going on in the world before the death of Michael Jackson.

Plus, his lifestyle had a lot to do with his death. I mean, people shouldn't die at 50, you're right, but they usually don't if they took proper care of themselves. So again, I think it's more tragic, and thus more worth noting, that all these people who didn't even have the chance to live healthy lives, but still may have lived longer than 50, and may have produced great things, are being slaughtered by means beyond their control.

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muffinmanjonas June 30 2009, 01:09:55 UTC
So I take it that your hair falling out is a bigger tragedy than both the death of MJ and thousands of innocent children. since obviously, your hair falling out was noteworthy enough for you to post it, but none of the other world issues were? i dont get your reasoning. I wasnt surprised that no one was talking about it because it was the most tragic thing that ever happened, i was surprised because people typically talk about things that effect them personally. MJ certainly had a personal effect on my life, as well as millions of others. So, just like i would expect to hear about your hair and not other atrocities going on because one is personal to you and one is not, i would expect to hear something from someone in my extended friend/ work/ school network to comment on MJ... but I didnt

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visualsounds July 1 2009, 02:38:18 UTC
No, but posting something about my hair falling out made sense because I was asking for advice from people about what to do if they had been in similar situations.

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muffinmanjonas July 1 2009, 03:15:30 UTC
and then obviously nothing more tragic was going on the day you posted about kurt vonnegut and hunter s thompson dying???

i dont know why you are being so hypocritical.

i dont see what other world events have anything to do with other events in the world. MJ dying was a noteworthy occurrence, regardless of what else was going on in the world.

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visualsounds July 1 2009, 05:13:13 UTC
Not in my mind no, cause they were still producing quality works.

And I don't feel I am being hypocritical at all, if anything in this conversation is hypocritical it is your criticism that people take debates about their opinions too personally. You're getting disproportionately defensive about this.

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muffinmanjonas July 1 2009, 11:33:47 UTC
you are being hypocritical, completely. you are saying that there is no need to comment on the death of someone if there are more tragic deaths going on. yet you have never once posted about any of these massive atrocities going on throughout the world, and you did post about vonnegut who hadnt produced a top ten novel in over 10 years, and thompson who hadnt produced anything except a little blurb about john kerry since 1992 ( ... )

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visualsounds July 13 2009, 07:24:55 UTC
The news? Are you serious? That is hardly an indication of importance.

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muffinmanjonas July 18 2009, 14:48:23 UTC
no one said anything of importance, you said bigger story. big = popular, the news obviously will broadcast the most popular story for ratings.

either way, you are completely ignoring all of the real points i made in the comment. i take this to mean that you agree with me, and you admit you are being a hypocrite, posting about celebrity deaths over more tragic events is something we have both done

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visualsounds July 19 2009, 06:24:41 UTC
No, I do not agree with you, I just see this conversation as an increasing waste of my energy, I'd prefer to do something productive and years have taught me that compromise is impossible and it just turns into fighting, and consider this also applicable to the other ongoing dialogue we have.

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