Turns out, since the destructon of the seed, all the newly-sired vampires are "remotely possessed" by demons from other dimensions; this type of possession makes them more feral and ugly
I don't think that's what Willow meant at all. She meant that because of the seed being broken no vampire demons can come from another dimension to possess people and turn them into vampires, so when they rise from the dead they're mindless and feral.
Which makes no sense IMO. If's it's the demon that's animating the dead bodies, and the demon can't get here, why aren't those people just dead?
Willow: "The demon can't pass into this world. The demon has to possess the vampire's body from another dimension."
In any case, you're absolutely right about it making no sense. :) The metaphysics of Jossverse defy logic quite regularly.
I try to figure out WHY Joss needs to introduce a new type of vampires into his verse? Is it just a metaphor of the new vampire trend in mass culture? Or the writers plan some unusual plot twist, like Buffy siding with old vampires against new vampires?
I hope it, too. Judging by the number of vampire corpses on the last page, zompires are new cannon fodder; I just hope writers won't go for quantity instead of quality.
So far, it seems that Severin will be the little bad, while the Big Bag is not revealed yet.
We know that Severin has been sucking the demons from old, non-zompire, vampires, as the police found that the bodies were of people that had been missing persons for decades
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We know that Severin has been sucking the demons from old, non-zompire, vampires, as the police found that the bodies were of people that had been missing persons for decades.
Since their power is demonic... wouldn't that make Severin increasingly demon possessed?
Well, sucking out demonic "energy" (whatever) doesn't have to be the same as taking on the essence of the demon, just as eating a steak doesn't make us possessed by a cow, or breathing air doesn't turn us into gas forms, etc.
Where my 2-step theory breaks down is that if the demon is not the animating force of the vampire, wouldn't its removal just turn the remaining entity back into a zompire, rather than a dead human? It's not like Severin is removing the "virus". Probably. IDEK, obviously.
I also think that Willow was saying that vamps' demons used to come over from other dimensions, but now they can't make the trip, leaving the new vampire "demonless". Which, as so many people have stated, makes no sense.
I'm suddenly struck with a thought: where all the demon essense go when a vampire is dusted - now, post-Seed, when all the portals are closed? Could it travel from dusted vamps to newly-sired vamps?
(I should stop thinking about it...)
Perhaps they are going back to the old idea of vampirism as a virus. This actually makes some sense in a world without magic. Perhaps ingesting vampire blood always created an animated zombie corpse, but the extra-dimensional demon (no longer available) that moved in was somehow able to tap into the cerebral cortex and create a symbiotic sentient creature out of the zompire, the human memories, and itself. That would mean that vampirism was actually two separate events in the past: a) zombification, and b) demon possession. Step "b" is no longer possible with the dimensional doors
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As ShipperX says above, perhaps Severin is incorporating the demon essence? However, if the demon essence is the equivalent of a human soul, metaphysically speaking, the bigger question is whether the seedless world is cut off from all other dimensions, including heaven. If so, then the demon essence and the human soul are in the same boat - cast adrift at death. Bum bum bum BUM.
That's the way I interpreted it. It's a bit like the Judeo-Christian (7th Sign) concept of the Guf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guf ) which is more or less a 'well of souls' with the belief that when an infant is born the soul is brought from 'the Guf'. So I'm interpreting it to mean that the demon 'Guf' is now cut off.
Now, this doesn't fit with the Buffy mythology that was originally given. And I'm not at all sure how that really explains Zompires. But...er... I think a demon guf idea was sort of what they were aiming for.
I dont have the comic yet but did look at the picture of Xander naming them "zompires" when Xander named them it seemed like Severin was changing the subject when he asked Buffy if she wanted to go with him to a nest. Because he didn't acknowledge what Xander had just said. I don't know maybe I misinterpreted it or something :)
I don't think that's what Willow meant at all. She meant that because of the seed being broken no vampire demons can come from another dimension to possess people and turn them into vampires, so when they rise from the dead they're mindless and feral.
Which makes no sense IMO. If's it's the demon that's animating the dead bodies, and the demon can't get here, why aren't those people just dead?
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In any case, you're absolutely right about it making no sense. :) The metaphysics of Jossverse defy logic quite regularly.
I try to figure out WHY Joss needs to introduce a new type of vampires into his verse? Is it just a metaphor of the new vampire trend in mass culture? Or the writers plan some unusual plot twist, like Buffy siding with old vampires against new vampires?
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So far, it seems that Severin will be the little bad, while the Big Bag is not revealed yet.
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Since their power is demonic... wouldn't that make Severin increasingly demon possessed?
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Where my 2-step theory breaks down is that if the demon is not the animating force of the vampire, wouldn't its removal just turn the remaining entity back into a zompire, rather than a dead human? It's not like Severin is removing the "virus". Probably. IDEK, obviously.
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I'm suddenly struck with a thought: where all the demon essense go when a vampire is dusted - now, post-Seed, when all the portals are closed? Could it travel from dusted vamps to newly-sired vamps?
(I should stop thinking about it...)
Perhaps they are going back to the old idea of vampirism as a virus. This actually makes some sense in a world without magic. Perhaps ingesting vampire blood always created an animated zombie corpse, but the extra-dimensional demon (no longer available) that moved in was somehow able to tap into the cerebral cortex and create a symbiotic sentient creature out of the zompire, the human memories, and itself. That would mean that vampirism was actually two separate events in the past: a) zombification, and b) demon possession. Step "b" is no longer possible with the dimensional doors ( ... )
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Actually, I think that writers just didn't think about it at all.
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I'm pretty sure Willow's saying that's what used to happen before the destruction of the seed, not what's happening now.
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Par for the course.
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Now, this doesn't fit with the Buffy mythology that was originally given. And I'm not at all sure how that really explains Zompires. But...er... I think a demon guf idea was sort of what they were aiming for.
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