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[lonewytch]

promethia_tenk made an awesome vid to the song Radioactive by Chasing Dragons. Love that song. Original post is here. Watch, then go leave comments upon its awesomeness!

a_phoenixdragon, do I remember rightly that you love this song? Like, a lot? Awesone vid is awesome.

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[kaffy_r]

I don't know who Clara is, although at least part of her fate is probably going to be pretty tragic (multiple lives, possible connection to River, possible connection to the TARDIS, how could it not be at least partly tragic, poor thing?), but I'm dying to find out. And part of me wants to comfort her about things she doesn't even know are going to happen to her. Weird, eh?

And this vid has been on repeat play for me over the past couple of weeks. I'd never heard of the band or the song before, but it, too, has been on constant mental replay.

[elisi]

*points to icon* Happy ending. And I can back it up:

'Because, just sentimentally, I like big victories. I don't like sacrificial lambs. I like the hero that brings everybody home, I think that's exciting, and I can't really be arsed with this feeling of 'Shame we didn't bring Trevor back with us as well...'. I like 'Aaah! Here comes Trevor - he's alive too!'. I like that! [...] Well, I'm saying this, but you haven't seen The Girl in the Fireplace... if there's a point to the bittersweet thing, fair enough - but I like big victories. And I like it when a film teases you with the possibility of a really dark ending [and ends up being the happiest thing evar] Doctor Who's on at 7 o'clock in the evening and it should be a bit like that. Also, it does buy you the right to be a bit darker earlier on.'
Moffat

[kaffy_r]

Oh, that's what I want, a great and glorious happy ending. Give me "Everybody lives!" every time; in fact, I'm first on the line to defend the dramatic validity of happy endings (which is also connected with my dislike of the philosophical/theosophical oversimplification of duality, but that's another rant) ... hell, I think the library ending is actually quite a victory in many ways

[elisi]

Two things.

1. I think River might work in a similar function to how she did in the S5 finale. Very important, but not central. (OK, so she was at the heart of the TARDIS explosion, but you know what I mean - that one was all about the Doctor & Amy.) Mostly, her story won't be rewritten, and her ending won't change. (In the Library she knows his name, which means that the events that are going to happen have already been absorbed into her life.)

2. If it wasn't that Clara was going to be around for the next series, I could maybe buy a tragedy. (Like... the TARDIS actually dying and Clara being the new one.) But I don't know that Moffat would dare do that. I think it'll be dark (we've had a lot of darkness this season), but ultimately... this:

(It's not ghost story, it's a love story/Every lonely monster needs a companion

[lonewytch]

I think River might work in a similar function to how she did in the S5 finale. Very important, but not central. (OK, so she was at the heart of the TARDIS explosion, but you know what I mean - that one was all about the Doctor & Amy.) Mostly, her story won't be rewritten, and her ending won't change. (In the Library she knows his name, which means that the events that are going to happen have already been absorbed into her life.)

I don't think the essence of her ending will change - her character arc has to peak with that act of sacrifice, i just wonder if the nature of the sacrifice could be changed. But...this is Doctor Who, and the happy has to be there at the end in some way, i do agree with that.

In other news: OMG soooo excited for the ep this sunday ~happy dance~

[elisi]

I don't think the essence of her ending will change - her character arc has to peak with that act of sacrifice, i just wonder if the nature of the sacrifice could be changed.
If this happened, I think it'd be along the lines of her sacrificing all her lives in LKH. Which is both terribly tragic, but since we know that she'd die in the Library ANYWAY, and not get to use any of them...

In other news: OMG soooo excited for the ep this sunday ~happy dance~
Saturday! In... 7 1/2 hours!

[kaffy_r]

It's taken me too long to respond to this. Although at first I didn't like the idea of Clara being connected with Eleven's first family (I think I thought of it as an artificial reaching towards a bridge that possibly shouldn't be there; that there should be, both inside and outside the story, a clean break) I am gradually changing my view on it. And that may be almost entirely due to you. Heh.

But you're opening my eyes, or perhaps allowing me to open my mind to the possibility, that Moffat could have decided that this was not going to be a "split" season. That this would, in fact, be a continuation of the same story he's been telling. And in that sense - life is dark and dangerous, but the darkness holds stars, and we can rescue each other from the dangers, or comfort each other if we can't - I think I'd like to see this come true.

And your suggestion that the TARDIS explosion harks back/forward to the Doctor and Clara is elegant. Meaty, too, in a way that doesn't take away from the elegance ("meaty" is not an elegant word,

[elisi]

It's taken me too long to respond to this.
No worries. I'm scared to count how many tabs I have open...

Although at first I didn't like the idea of Clara being connected with Eleven's first family (I think I thought of it as an artificial reaching towards a bridge that possibly shouldn't be there; that there should be, both inside and outside the story, a clean break) I am gradually changing my view on it. And that may be almost entirely due to you. Heh.
Well I'm not really arguing that she's connected to Susan. If she is, it'd be as a very distant descendant. (Current!Clara real family makes it... complicated.) My original thought was that she was Jenny's daughter (which I'd still love - esp as we've now had a repetition of 'Don't you remember your daughter?'). Promethia thinks she 11 & River's, which would fit thematically but be a nightmare logistically. She might of course BECOME family...

But you're opening my eyes, or perhaps allowing me to open my mind to the possibility, that Moffat could have decided that this was not

[lonewytch]

Hence my fear of tragedy

I have this too, a really big fear of tragedy...but Elisi makes a strong case for a happy ending, and a case that even if it is bittersweet, there has to be a purpose to the bittersweetness.

[kaffy_r]

I'm coming around to agree, I think, as my response to elisi mentions. The bitter and the sweet intermingle so much ... and the older I get the more I realize that it isn't things and events that are bittersweet, it's living that's bittersweet. Moffat understands that (and actually, so did Rusty, although he wrote it in a different way.)

[lonewytch]

I love that you have posted this quote. I am somewhat comforted. And, yeah the icon quote tells us that even though Love/Death are linked in Moff-Who, love trumps death in the end.

[elisi]

Everything ends./Not love. Not always.

(Seriously - watch Jekyll! Love is a Psychopath and People in Boxes and Everything is a Metaphor and people split into different pieces and... I just. *hands*)

[lonewytch]

Elisi!! Did you see the preview for The Name of the Doctor at the end of tonight's episode??? :O

ETA: Also, have you seen the BBC America trailer for the ep? I've revised some thoughts on Stuff based on a split second of something in that trailer.

[elisi]

Elisi!! Did you see the preview for The Name of the Doctor at the end of tonight's episode??? :O
Oh I did!!!

I'm not sure I've seen the BBCA trailer though. Might go hunt it out.

[lonewytch]

I think it's the BBCA one anyway

[elisi]

I think it's the BBCA one anyway...
If it's the one you're talking about here, then it's just another BBC1 trailer. No HORRIBLE GRAVELLY VOICEOVER...

and thus fades away into the Tardis forever.
Oooooh. If Clara kills the TARDIS (and I think she will, see meta when I post it) - and Clara ISN'T one - could River BECOME the [new] TARDIS? The Doctor's Wife...

And I don't know that it's Library River - why do you think that? /curious