One more for good luck?

[keyboardninja]

The CM from LaCrosse asked why Jacen has not been fired. Here is my reply:

Why hasn't Jacen been fired? There are a few reasons:

Comments

[perpetuallysad]

(2) is your least defensible position. It's a false dichotomy. I see at least three options: keep him, free him, kill him.

(3) "Pascek knew what he was getting into when he gave Jacen the badge, and until Jacen breaks a Tradition or a direct order, I see little reason to fire him."

I was under the impression that he had broken Domain according to a bunch of domains.

(4)
I don't see why any Justicar would allow someone to get away with publicly, sloppily, and loudly trying to kill one of their direct servants.

If they had Right of Destruction from the Prince, then it seems like Pascek would be overstepping the same bounds you implicitly defined by ignoring his breaches of Domain.

Yes, in WW Canon material there is a powerful prince or three that get away with acting against the Justicars and/or their Archons, but they are very, very powerful elders and exceptions to the rule.Were there any Princes in WW Canon that *weren't* portrayed as this powerful? Just because only a few did it doesn't mean it was written from the perspective

[keyboardninja]

(2) - True, killing is an option, and more likely than being fired if he does something worthy of being fired

[retailgod]

There was the whole we run shit statement, I got stripped of a hojillion status for it, but it was after I had been attacked. Brujah have short fuse and have to shove their feet in their mouths occasionally.

That's up to interepretation I sppose on whether it's a breach of domain, other than that I have no ide what your talking about with the Domain Breach. Also, there was no right of destruction, there was a praxis claim, and before I could move I was hit with seizrue on ellysium by a setite. :) Hence the depth charges.

[retailgod]

As far as Princes go, check out the Brujah Trilogy, there's plenty of examples of Princes that couldn't hold their own against Justicars/Archons. Like Dale said the American Princes are generally younger and not as influential and powerful as Anne, Villon and others.

[perpetuallysad]

I didn't read it that way. Which Princes are you referring to?

[thisspacevacant]

Were there any Princes in WW Canon that *weren't* portrayed as this powerful? Just because only a few did it doesn't mean it was written from the perspective that only they had the power to.North American Princes are typically pretty easy to topple by WW's standards. The Prince of Charleston was basically killed by a strong wind once the Sabbat decided they wanted his city. Same goes for Bennison Hodge, Prince of Atlanta before the Sabbat took it

[keyboardninja]

I keep calling him Wahlburg, like Marky Mark. That makes me snicker on occasion.

[thisspacevacant]

Dude. Marky Mark don't play. D:

[keyboardninja]

I actually have a great deal of respect for Marky Mark in his post-Funky Bunch years. He's a rather good actor, and I think, by very definition, that means he plays! :p

[thisspacevacant]

Indeed. In the Departed his character does not play, though. He straight up be killing honkies.

[keyboardninja]

I haven't seen the Departed. I'll put it on my list, though.

[dempcat]

Holy crap see it.

[thisspacevacant]

It is great stuff if you like undercover cop/gangster dramas.

[keyboardninja]

I liked The Corrupter, which was a similarly themed movie he was in with Chow Yun Fat.

[thisspacevacant]

Less action in this one, probably. But it's filled with intrigue and awesome.

[nate_the_nos]

Indeed .... he also talks to animals ....