WSFS Business Appears

Aug 08, 2013 12:18

The first release of the agenda for this year's WSFS Business Meeting is now online at the LoneStarCon 3 web site.

The constitutional items are:

  • A minimum price cap on supporting memberships, prohibiting Worldcons from selling memberships that have voting rights for less than the cost of a supporting membership
  • Add a new Hugo Award category: Best ( Read more... )

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billroper August 8 2013, 22:14:48 UTC
Hmm. That's fascinating, he said, as he read the proposals.

As someone who has a lot of trouble making it to Worldcon lately (two small children will do that -- I'd have taken the family down to San Antonio, as I have relatives in the area, but school starts here before Labor Day), I must say that the "No Cheap Voting" proposal is largely the opposite of what I would hope to see the Worldcon doing.

I understand the inclination to prevent people from buying a lot of cheap memberships to vote for their friends, but I'm not sure that making voting expensive is necessarily a good thing for the Hugo Awards, or for site selection, or for a lot of things.

My first thought is that it would be better to revise the WSFS constitution so that Supporting Memberships were cheaper, but included only electronic copies of communications, and if you wanted the Cadillac printed version of Supporting Membership, it would cost more. And then, of course, you end up bashing on the relationship between site selection voting fees and attending membership ( ... )

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kevin_standlee August 8 2013, 22:37:28 UTC
There is a fairly easy way to do what you say (not require paper publications to be included in a supporting membership): Delete section 1.5.3:

1.5.3: Electronic distribution of publications, if offered, shall be opt-in.

This would leave it up to the individual Worldcon whether or not their supporting membership would include those expensive paper publications.

The mechanism to combine this with what's been proposed is to amend the proposal to include striking 1.5.3. If that passes, then the combined proposal (strike 1.5.3 and set a floor limit on supporting memberships) would be the constitutional amendment.

I am considering proposing this as an amendment to the proposal at the Preliminary Business Meeting. I, like you, think it's a bad idea, and is an ill-advised attempt to prevent the Wrong Sort of Fan from voting by keeping it expensive.

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billroper August 8 2013, 22:56:01 UTC
Striking 1.5.3 makes sense, but the cost of a supporting membership is linked to the cost of site-selection voting by 1.5.7 and the cost of an attending membership is also linked to the cost of site-selection voting by 1.5.6. If the objective is to make the supporting membership cheaper by making distribution of paper optional -- well, I suppose that 1.5.7 only sets a cap on the cost of the supporting membership for voters, so anything less is ok. But then you could sell a supporting membership for less than the site-selection voting fee, which doesn't seem like a good idea (save, of course, for the proposed amendment) -- I'd be tempted to pull the voting fee down to match, except that interacts with 1.5.6 to pull down the initial cost of an attending membership which has some potentially serious budget impacts on the Worldcon ( ... )

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kevin_standlee August 8 2013, 23:08:43 UTC
Beware of too many changes at once. We only recently raised the 1.5.6 conversion cap to 4x the voting fee. The voting fee is set by the agreement of the voters and the administering convention (with a default if they can't agree). Let's suggest that a bid thinks that $25 (not $50 as has been recent practice) is a good supporting membership cost. They would have a maximum starting membership price of $125 ($100 conversion fee) for voters. There's no cap on non-voters.

Another suggestion I've heard is to require that any membership class that costs at least as much as a supporting membership must include the rights of a supporting membership. Thus the people paying $75-$100 for a single day's admission would be given supporting memberships. I expect that frosts the "only my friends should be allowed to vote, and not all of them" crowd, but I think it would be a good idea.

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