India has proof of official Pakistani hand in Mumbai Massacre
From Amit Baruah, "India has proof of ISI hand in Mumbai attacks," in Hindustan Times (http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/FullcoverageStoryPage.aspx?id=9537b8c1-3fcb-452b-b424-0baffb3e47a2Mumbaiunderattack_Special&&Headline=ISI+hand+in+Mumbai+attacks%3a+India), orignally linked to from Gates of Vienna (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/12/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-1252008.html#5100)
New Delhi had names of ISI operatives who trained the 10 Mumbai attackers as well as details of the internet protocol addresses used by the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, which were previously used by Pakistan's intelligence service. India was also aware of where the terrorists were trained.
This looks very damning for Pakistan. Unless the Pakistanis are prepared to roll over, show their bellies and let India have every singe suspect they ask for, I don't see now how war can be avoided -- nor why it should be avoided.
However
No details of the “proof” were, however, made available.
I can understand why India wouldn't release the details this early, but this does give Indian reality-deniers opportunity to wiggle out of the responsibility to stand up for India's rights in this matter.
By pointing the finger at the ISI, India has, effectively, pinned the blame for 26/11 on the Pakistan army.
Exactly, for the ISI pretty much controls the Pakistani Army -- which is more or less independent of the Pakistani civilian government. It is unlikely that the Pakistani Army will back down, since their participation in this makes it obvious that their current leadership is batshit-crazy, drunk on Islamic divine triumphalism to the point that they are probably not getting that there is now a very serious risk that by 2010 there won't be any country called "Pakistan," but rather some rather beat-up new Indian provinces.
According to the sources, Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Pakistani leadership on Wednesday that they needed to arrest the Lashkar boss, Hafiz Saeed, and wind up the operations of the terrorist outfit. They revealed that the Americans actually had more intelligence than India given their presence in Pakistan and the tabs they kept on movements in and out of the Karachi port.
Which answers an important question. America has decided that they are at least as much on the side of India in this fight as they were on the side of Britain in the Falklands War. Pakistan is now paying for years of foot-dragging on Al Qaeda and the Taliban; another example of how evil bears the seeds of its own destruction.
On whether India had provided this proof to Pakistan, the sources responded, “We will leave that to the Americans.” Pointing out that the Lashkar had a presence in Afghanistan, Sudan and Chechnya, the sources said there was a need for an international response to the group.
The Chechnyan connection is important here, as it creates a possible mutual interest between Russia and India in seeing Pakistan go down. I don't put it past Putin to ignore actual Russian interests in pursuit of his mad dream of re-conquering the former Soviet Empire, though.
They argued that the Mumbai attack was also a Pakistan army hit on the civilian government and a “declaration of independence”. It was possible that the army, which was using the India threat bogey to wriggle out of the US-led war on terror, might even take power directly in Pakistan.
If the Pakistani Army can do something like this and not have its leaders immediately clapped into prison, then the Pakistani Army is the de facto master of Pakistan, and the civilian government is in much the same position as the Panamanian civilian government after Noriega refused to accept that he had lost the election.
President Zardari, after declining India's demand to hand over fugitives from the law, promised US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that it would take "strong action" against anyone on its territory found to have been involved in the Mumbai attacks.
Nice promise. Now let's see some follow-through. Fast.
I'm not expecting any. And if there isn't a lot of follow-through, India should go to war, and her aim should be receiving Pakistan's unconditional surrender, so that this sick joke of a nation-state can be either reconstituted ... or dissolved.
New Delhi had names of ISI operatives who trained the 10 Mumbai attackers as well as details of the internet protocol addresses used by the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, which were previously used by Pakistan's intelligence service. India was also aware of where the terrorists were trained.
This looks very damning for Pakistan. Unless the Pakistanis are prepared to roll over, show their bellies and let India have every singe suspect they ask for, I don't see now how war can be avoided -- nor why it should be avoided.
However
No details of the “proof” were, however, made available.
I can understand why India wouldn't release the details this early, but this does give Indian reality-deniers opportunity to wiggle out of the responsibility to stand up for India's rights in this matter.
By pointing the finger at the ISI, India has, effectively, pinned the blame for 26/11 on the Pakistan army.
Exactly, for the ISI pretty much controls the Pakistani Army -- which is more or less independent of the Pakistani civilian government. It is unlikely that the Pakistani Army will back down, since their participation in this makes it obvious that their current leadership is batshit-crazy, drunk on Islamic divine triumphalism to the point that they are probably not getting that there is now a very serious risk that by 2010 there won't be any country called "Pakistan," but rather some rather beat-up new Indian provinces.
According to the sources, Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Pakistani leadership on Wednesday that they needed to arrest the Lashkar boss, Hafiz Saeed, and wind up the operations of the terrorist outfit. They revealed that the Americans actually had more intelligence than India given their presence in Pakistan and the tabs they kept on movements in and out of the Karachi port.
Which answers an important question. America has decided that they are at least as much on the side of India in this fight as they were on the side of Britain in the Falklands War. Pakistan is now paying for years of foot-dragging on Al Qaeda and the Taliban; another example of how evil bears the seeds of its own destruction.
On whether India had provided this proof to Pakistan, the sources responded, “We will leave that to the Americans.” Pointing out that the Lashkar had a presence in Afghanistan, Sudan and Chechnya, the sources said there was a need for an international response to the group.
The Chechnyan connection is important here, as it creates a possible mutual interest between Russia and India in seeing Pakistan go down. I don't put it past Putin to ignore actual Russian interests in pursuit of his mad dream of re-conquering the former Soviet Empire, though.
They argued that the Mumbai attack was also a Pakistan army hit on the civilian government and a “declaration of independence”. It was possible that the army, which was using the India threat bogey to wriggle out of the US-led war on terror, might even take power directly in Pakistan.
If the Pakistani Army can do something like this and not have its leaders immediately clapped into prison, then the Pakistani Army is the de facto master of Pakistan, and the civilian government is in much the same position as the Panamanian civilian government after Noriega refused to accept that he had lost the election.
President Zardari, after declining India's demand to hand over fugitives from the law, promised US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that it would take "strong action" against anyone on its territory found to have been involved in the Mumbai attacks.
Nice promise. Now let's see some follow-through. Fast.
I'm not expecting any. And if there isn't a lot of follow-through, India should go to war, and her aim should be receiving Pakistan's unconditional surrender, so that this sick joke of a nation-state can be either reconstituted ... or dissolved.