I'm an unapologetic plot-bunny. I leave the theme and character analysis to my far more clever friend wee_warrior. I don't really talk much about Heroes, but I had a few thoughts after "The Line."
I love the way your brain works, but I still think this is a bit too complicated.
1. Of the three most powerful heroes on the plaza the night of the expected fall of New York, two disappeared.
But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported, which is commonly accompanied by time travelling. There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up, both temporal and geographical, thus someone taking him in and putting him in a dreamstate is far more unlikely than him actually having travelled back to medieval Japan.
3. Takezo Kensei was Japanese.
We don't know that. Kensei used hired doubles and a mask; it is very possible people simply never connected the Caucasian and the folk hero of the same name. Besides, legends and stories hardly get relegated as they "happened;" things get lost or changed at the convenience of the storyteller or audience, due to politics or ideological means. For instance, someone could have objected to the unifying force in Japan being a white guy instead of Japanese, and changed the stories and pictures accordingly. It could even have been Yaeko and her father, telling everyone that the real Takezo Kensei was a Japanese hero (i.e. Hiro) fighting an evil impostor.
6. David Anders's power is to induce and control dreams/nightmares of others. (This is different from Matt's father who has a power of illusion which can draw on the emotional states of the subjects.)
Consider that we have seen the image of Nathan's distorted illusion outside of the nightmare. This is what he constantly sees - it doesn't just convey his depressed status. The same goes for New York burning from the explosion - this is a very specific fear tied to the whole situation on Kirby Plaza, and I don't know how Maury Parkman should know about that. On a smaller scale this also goes for Matt's imagination - yes, it's easy to guess that he is afraid of turning into his father, but how would Maury have known that he actually feels guilty about not checking whether Janice lied to him about the baby? It seems most likely that Maury can simply tap into and enhance specific fears, and saying that the power belongs to Kensei instead makes the situation needlessly complicated. (Besides, Maury could simply be working with Kensei.)
(The kiss, an act not known of at that time in Japan, is a modern-day misconception by both Anders and Hiro.)
You're giving the writers too much Agatha Christie credit. It's fairly likely that they either simply screwed this up because they didn't know, or decided to go for the anachronistic route, since kissing on the lips is still the easiest way to convey romantic love and passion for a modern day, mostly western audience.
8. Sylar was in an induced company-dictated dream and was experimented upon to seek to find a way of stripping rogue heroes of their powers. By virtue of the experimentation, he was able to escape.
This I could buy.
9. The 8/8 painting in Isaac's loft was staged but the purpose was not to find Bennet. It was to separate Bennet from Claire by giving him a fool's errand.
So, they gave Ivan another copy just in case Bennet went there as well? Because he had one. (I'm actually pretty sure this is a prop goof, or that Bennet had it with him, but I maintain that Tim Sale's style is not as easy to copy as you think it is.)
10. West is working on assignment to get close to Claire.
Wouldn't that be fun? However, if he is with the Company, why didn't he just kidnap her when they were flying to the Hollywood Sign?
But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported...There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up
His teleportation was an illusion. We already know that somebody was there to neatly remove Sylar from the scene without anyone seeing him. That is something else that couldn't be predicted and yet it happened. The alternative is that Sylar shuffled himself down the manhole (what we were led to believe) and that he was found later.
Takezo Kensei was Japanese.
This is a posit rather than a logical step. I know it can work that an ancient hero ends up being something very different from the legend that follows him, but I'm saying that Kensei actually was Japanese, not Caucasian. Anders knew that Hero was raised on the stories of Kensei, that Kensei would be the one figure he would accept and bend to unquestionably, so that's where he inserts himself. The whole story that Hiro is living out (and that Ando has been fed) is pre-scripted by Anders.
It seems most likely that Maury can simply tap into and enhance specific fears, and saying that the power belongs to Kensei instead makes the situation needlessly complicated. (Besides, Maury could simply be working with Kensei.)
I think that Maury can tap into and enhance specific fears. I suspect he can do it at an instant, like a quick mind read, thnn bam, illusion. But in Maury's case, he can't direct or control it, only initiate it. Anders has a different power, one of control of the mind. Or something.
I do think Maury and Anders may be working together, at least in one of the current faction organisations.
As for the kiss, you know how I love falling into the habit of thinking that the writers are smarter than they seem. Or I'm a natural fanwanker.
So, they gave Ivan another copy just in case Bennet went there as well? Because he had one. (I'm actually pretty sure this is a prop goof, or that Bennet had it with him, but I maintain that Tim Sale's style is not as easy to copy as you think it is.)
I'm with you that there may have been a props goof but if not, the paintings were screwy. The Haitian definitely pulled the Bennet picture out of the same crate as the one before it. There were seven, not eight. We assume the first is Kaito. We do this purely because of the numbering. I still think we may be too quick to assume that it is from the same series. Isaac must have frequently painted series of pictures.
However, if he is with the Company, why didn't he just kidnap her when they were flying to the Hollywood Sign?
For reasons I don't yet fathom, they are looking to do something other than nab Claire. There seems to be some element of turning her to "the dark side." I think West is relatively inexperienced which I why I think Elle will be sent in.
It's probably all crap. This is what happens when I don't have my spec buddy to reign me in!
This doesn't work for me. Hiro disappeared right in front of everyone on Kirby Plaza, so that had to be an illusion for both the people on the plaza and Hiro, and I just don't think it's possible to make anyone think they are using their own power. If Nathan had tried to fly in his nightmare, he would have crashed into the ceiling. Matt used his telepathy and got out of the nightmare.
Sylar is another matter, because someone could have watched the situation on the plaza and drag him away while everyone else was busily collecting wounded people. That doesn't involve him using his power.
As for the kiss, you know how I love falling into the habit of thinking that the writers are smarter than they seem.
I don't actually think that purposefully using an anachronism to get their purpose across to the viewers makes the writers dumb. It just means they are using an anachronism because they are not creating a special for the history channel.
There seems to be some element of turning her to "the dark side."
That's an underlying theme - most of the characters in this week's episode did something less than savoury. That doesn't mean that someone in the show itself is out to turn her evil.
This is what happens when I don't have my spec buddy to reign me in!
1. Of the three most powerful heroes on the plaza the night of the expected fall of New York, two disappeared.
But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported, which is commonly accompanied by time travelling. There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up, both temporal and geographical, thus someone taking him in and putting him in a dreamstate is far more unlikely than him actually having travelled back to medieval Japan.
3. Takezo Kensei was Japanese.
We don't know that. Kensei used hired doubles and a mask; it is very possible people simply never connected the Caucasian and the folk hero of the same name. Besides, legends and stories hardly get relegated as they "happened;" things get lost or changed at the convenience of the storyteller or audience, due to politics or ideological means. For instance, someone could have objected to the unifying force in Japan being a white guy instead of Japanese, and changed the stories and pictures accordingly.
It could even have been Yaeko and her father, telling everyone that the real Takezo Kensei was a Japanese hero (i.e. Hiro) fighting an evil impostor.
6. David Anders's power is to induce and control dreams/nightmares of others. (This is different from Matt's father who has a power of illusion which can draw on the emotional states of the subjects.)
Consider that we have seen the image of Nathan's distorted illusion outside of the nightmare. This is what he constantly sees - it doesn't just convey his depressed status. The same goes for New York burning from the explosion - this is a very specific fear tied to the whole situation on Kirby Plaza, and I don't know how Maury Parkman should know about that. On a smaller scale this also goes for Matt's imagination - yes, it's easy to guess that he is afraid of turning into his father, but how would Maury have known that he actually feels guilty about not checking whether Janice lied to him about the baby? It seems most likely that Maury can simply tap into and enhance specific fears, and saying that the power belongs to Kensei instead makes the situation needlessly complicated. (Besides, Maury could simply be working with Kensei.)
(The kiss, an act not known of at that time in Japan, is a modern-day misconception by both Anders and Hiro.)
You're giving the writers too much Agatha Christie credit. It's fairly likely that they either simply screwed this up because they didn't know, or decided to go for the anachronistic route, since kissing on the lips is still the easiest way to convey romantic love and passion for a modern day, mostly western audience.
8. Sylar was in an induced company-dictated dream and was experimented upon to seek to find a way of stripping rogue heroes of their powers. By virtue of the experimentation, he was able to escape.
This I could buy.
9. The 8/8 painting in Isaac's loft was staged but the purpose was not to find Bennet. It was to separate Bennet from Claire by giving him a fool's errand.
So, they gave Ivan another copy just in case Bennet went there as well? Because he had one. (I'm actually pretty sure this is a prop goof, or that Bennet had it with him, but I maintain that Tim Sale's style is not as easy to copy as you think it is.)
10. West is working on assignment to get close to Claire.
Wouldn't that be fun? However, if he is with the Company, why didn't he just kidnap her when they were flying to the Hollywood Sign?
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It's a steaming cauldron of possibilities!
But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported...There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up
His teleportation was an illusion. We already know that somebody was there to neatly remove Sylar from the scene without anyone seeing him. That is something else that couldn't be predicted and yet it happened. The alternative is that Sylar shuffled himself down the manhole (what we were led to believe) and that he was found later.
Takezo Kensei was Japanese.
This is a posit rather than a logical step. I know it can work that an ancient hero ends up being something very different from the legend that follows him, but I'm saying that Kensei actually was Japanese, not Caucasian. Anders knew that Hero was raised on the stories of Kensei, that Kensei would be the one figure he would accept and bend to unquestionably, so that's where he inserts himself. The whole story that Hiro is living out (and that Ando has been fed) is pre-scripted by Anders.
It seems most likely that Maury can simply tap into and enhance specific fears, and saying that the power belongs to Kensei instead makes the situation needlessly complicated. (Besides, Maury could simply be working with Kensei.)
I think that Maury can tap into and enhance specific fears. I suspect he can do it at an instant, like a quick mind read, thnn bam, illusion. But in Maury's case, he can't direct or control it, only initiate it. Anders has a different power, one of control of the mind. Or something.
I do think Maury and Anders may be working together, at least in one of the current faction organisations.
As for the kiss, you know how I love falling into the habit of thinking that the writers are smarter than they seem. Or I'm a natural fanwanker.
So, they gave Ivan another copy just in case Bennet went there as well? Because he had one. (I'm actually pretty sure this is a prop goof, or that Bennet had it with him, but I maintain that Tim Sale's style is not as easy to copy as you think it is.)
I'm with you that there may have been a props goof but if not, the paintings were screwy. The Haitian definitely pulled the Bennet picture out of the same crate as the one before it. There were seven, not eight. We assume the first is Kaito. We do this purely because of the numbering. I still think we may be too quick to assume that it is from the same series. Isaac must have frequently painted series of pictures.
However, if he is with the Company, why didn't he just kidnap her when they were flying to the Hollywood Sign?
For reasons I don't yet fathom, they are looking to do something other than nab Claire. There seems to be some element of turning her to "the dark side." I think West is relatively inexperienced which I why I think Elle will be sent in.
It's probably all crap. This is what happens when I don't have my spec buddy to reign me in!
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This doesn't work for me. Hiro disappeared right in front of everyone on Kirby Plaza, so that had to be an illusion for both the people on the plaza and Hiro, and I just don't think it's possible to make anyone think they are using their own power. If Nathan had tried to fly in his nightmare, he would have crashed into the ceiling. Matt used his telepathy and got out of the nightmare.
Sylar is another matter, because someone could have watched the situation on the plaza and drag him away while everyone else was busily collecting wounded people. That doesn't involve him using his power.
As for the kiss, you know how I love falling into the habit of thinking that the writers are smarter than they seem.
I don't actually think that purposefully using an anachronism to get their purpose across to the viewers makes the writers dumb. It just means they are using an anachronism because they are not creating a special for the history channel.
There seems to be some element of turning her to "the dark side."
That's an underlying theme - most of the characters in this week's episode did something less than savoury. That doesn't mean that someone in the show itself is out to turn her evil.
This is what happens when I don't have my spec buddy to reign me in!
I think mysteries are simply more your thing. :)
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