Comments | inigo: Watching: Heroes

inigo

Watching: Heroes

Oct 30, 2007 22:39

I'm an unapologetic plot-bunny. I leave the theme and character analysis to my far more clever friend wee_warrior. I don't really talk much about Heroes, but I had a few thoughts after "The Line."

( Speculation follows. )

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Comments 11

gymble October 30 2007, 23:06:15 UTC

Hiro is in an induced dream.
Then how do you explain the messages to Ando? I think that ancient Japan is exactly what it seems: boring.

I do think that the Company experimented on Sylar to suppress his powers. And I'd be willing to believe that West is working on assignment.

inigo October 30 2007, 23:31:18 UTC

The messages are a plant for the purpose of propping up the fantasy when Hiro gets back. His best friend will immediately support his story meaning the Hiro is even less likely to question what has happened to him.

gymble October 30 2007, 23:48:26 UTC

Honestly? I don't think Heroes is that complicated. But it's fun to speculate.

inigo October 30 2007, 23:55:15 UTC

You're probably right. I have a habit of over-complicating things. It's a means of excercising patience when writing goes lame and to be optimistic that they didn't really mean it to be.

spadada October 30 2007, 23:09:04 UTC

The Hiro/Kensai predictions are interesting. I really only talk to you and grim and the people at BBB about Heroes so most things go over my head. Kissing was not known of at that time in Japan? Yikes!

So #5 posits that David Anders is a plant? Interesting.

What did you think about the promo for the upcoming arc?

inigo October 30 2007, 23:34:40 UTC

#5 is not so much that Anders is a plant, but that he is in the company. Having said that, this is a company sorely in need of a mission statement because at the moment there are different factions working in different directions with some, like Anders, making power plays of his own to get control.

I haven't seen the promo so I don't know what they've said. Anything interesting?

spadada October 30 2007, 23:44:18 UTC

Anything interesting?
Yes.

inigo October 30 2007, 23:53:37 UTC

Ooh, they are upping the tempo, at least with the promo. Nice to hear Angela.

I haven't quite worked out where Peter fits yet, other than that somebody wanted him out of the way for a while. That's why I don't know if Elle is with Anders or another company faction because I do believe that she is really looking for him ie. that she didn't leave him in the box. Peter may have been mindwiped and stowed away to prevent him manifesting any time travel power. Killing off 97% of the world's population does seem to be a rather extreme form of a scorched earth policy and I can't get a grip on who would want to see that happen - an adherent of Linderman or another party.

wee_warrior October 31 2007, 12:18:23 UTC

I love the way your brain works, but I still think this is a bit too complicated.

1. Of the three most powerful heroes on the plaza the night of the expected fall of New York, two disappeared.

But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported, which is commonly accompanied by time travelling. There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up, both temporal and geographical, thus someone taking him in and putting him in a dreamstate is far more unlikely than him actually having travelled back to medieval Japan.

3. Takezo Kensei was Japanese.We don't know that. Kensei used hired doubles and a mask; it is very possible people simply never connected the Caucasian and the folk hero of the same name. Besides, legends and stories hardly get relegated as they "happened;" things get lost or changed at the convenience of the storyteller or audience, due to politics or ideological means. For instance, someone could have objected to the unifying force in Japan being a white guy instead of Japanese, and changed the stories and ( ... )

inigo October 31 2007, 15:25:16 UTC

I love the way your brain works

It's a steaming cauldron of possibilities!

But Hiro didn't disappear, he teleported...There is no way someone could predict in which place he would end up

His teleportation was an illusion. We already know that somebody was there to neatly remove Sylar from the scene without anyone seeing him. That is something else that couldn't be predicted and yet it happened. The alternative is that Sylar shuffled himself down the manhole (what we were led to believe) and that he was found later.

Takezo Kensei was Japanese.

This is a posit rather than a logical step. I know it can work that an ancient hero ends up being something very different from the legend that follows him, but I'm saying that Kensei actually was Japanese, not Caucasian. Anders knew that Hero was raised on the stories of Kensei, that Kensei would be the one figure he would accept and bend to unquestionably, so that's where he inserts himself. The whole story that Hiro is living out (and that Ando has been fed) is pre-scripted by Anders.

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wee_warrior October 31 2007, 16:09:54 UTC

His teleportation was an illusion.

This doesn't work for me. Hiro disappeared right in front of everyone on Kirby Plaza, so that had to be an illusion for both the people on the plaza and Hiro, and I just don't think it's possible to make anyone think they are using their own power. If Nathan had tried to fly in his nightmare, he would have crashed into the ceiling. Matt used his telepathy and got out of the nightmare.

Sylar is another matter, because someone could have watched the situation on the plaza and drag him away while everyone else was busily collecting wounded people. That doesn't involve him using his power.

As for the kiss, you know how I love falling into the habit of thinking that the writers are smarter than they seem.

I don't actually think that purposefully using an anachronism to get their purpose across to the viewers makes the writers dumb. It just means they are using an anachronism because they are not creating a special for the history channel.

There seems to be some element of turning her to "the dark ( ... )