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I need a new sketchbook. Somewhat to my bemusement, I discovered I'd used the last page on my current one yesterday, which was wicked annoying because La Bohème came on the classic movie channel and I really wanted to draw some of the people there. They're all just ridiculously pretty in that 1920's sort of way. Something about how stylized
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He had the upper hand in their verbal confrontation and he used it to push Dean into calling him a monster,
I don't think so, he was pleading to Dean to listen to him and to see things his way and Dean just said no, and then proceeded to say 'it's not what you're doing it's who you are', Dean did that without Sam pushing him. Sam knew exactly what Dean meant and he wanted Dean to just say it, because he was tired of Dean's looks and insinuations he was fed up of it all and he just wanted Dean to say it, and Dean did. Dean didn't have to be pushed, he did what he always did when he was angry and emotional and he said the hurtful thing he's been thinking. THAT'S what prompted Sam to punch him.
The thing is Sam only asks to be heard and his ideas considered without having to fight tooth and nail for them to be heard and considered. In Home, he had a vision about the house and Dean was reluctant in going but he wasn't going to just sit around and do nothing while a family could die, so he went. In Hunted Sam didn't promise Dean that he would stay, Dean pleaded to him and Sam simply just looked away, now that could be seen as Sam promising but he didn't actually say 'okay I'll stay and do this together'. Besides Sam had legitimate reason to do what he did, Dean kept this huge secret about him and the possibility of him going dark side, and it looks like he's doing it again with the whole future trip. In 'Bloody Mary' he tells Dean 'you have to let me do this' meaning he wants Dean's permission to do the bloody Mary thing, in the end he tells his brother that he loves him and would die for him but some things he has to keep as his own, those were his emotions and dealing with Jessica's death. I can understand Sam not wanting to open up about that right away.
There are a lot of incidents where Dean said to Sam this is how it's going to be and Sam didn't fight him on it. One of those things being Sam wanting to look for their father after Jessica's death and Dean finding hunts to do, Sam protested most of season 1 about it and in Scarecrow when they finally had a lead on their dad Sam wanted to go after him and Dean didn't, so Sam went off on his own to find their father, but didn't get that far because he decided to go back to Dean. There are plenty of incidents where Dean told Sam how things were going to be and Sam would protest and go along and then when it got to the point where he needed to speak up he did and things changed course. It was always a battle and I think this episode was basically telling us Sam doesn't want to have this constant battle with Dean, he wants to be able to say - hey I don't think this is over- without having Dean with one foot out the door ready to leave and not listen.
The problem with that though is Sam forced Dean to be his moral watchdog in Playthings with that promise. Sam WANTED Dean to watch his every move and ensure he didn't go dark side.
Sam wanted Dean to make sure that if he ever became something horrible that Dean would kill him. Dean failed to do that several times and proved he would never ever do that. Sam embraced his abilities, and he liked them and he liked being able to save people, of course he's going to feel affronted by Dean not letting him do that.
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This might be one we have to agree to disagree on. *g* To me, Dean was shown as willing to compromise when he offered to go with Sam when he'd already made it clear that he didn't think them ready and I can't ever be convinced that Sam was bullied into submission and forced to follow Dean's plans all the time.
Dean was in hell when Sam started things with Ruby so that can't be a reason he went with Ruby.
That's the hypocrisy that a lot of people are commenting on though. It DID sound to us that Sam was blaming Dean for something he started to do when Dean was dead.
I don't think Dean was being condescending there either, so that's something else we'll have to disagree on.
For Home, Dean had vowed that he'd never go back. Dean remembers what happened in 1983, Sam doesn't. Just like Dean can never really understand the horror that Sam feels at being infected with demon blood, Sam can never fully grok having a home and having it destroyed and what it was to lose his mother. I don't blame him for wanting a good reason to go back again.
I disagree that Sam had every reason to go off on his own, especially when they made a point of showing that Sam would be dead if Dean hadn't been able to track him down again. I'll have to rewatch the episode; I thought he'd at least nodded when Dean begged him to stay so they could figure it out together. Sam did come across as condescending to me there, with his "he means well" comment.
I do understand Sam's irritation in early S1, I really do. He obviously wanted to go after John and Dean didn't seem particularly keen on the idea. I've never been all that sure why that was; Dean was all about finding John in 1x01, but that was before they started to get the texts so perhaps the urgency was mostly spurred on by his worry that John might be dead. Once he knew otherwise, well...
But the point is, Sam made his own choice to leave in Scarecrow, just like he made his own choice to return. He made the choice to stay with Dean in Chicago rather than go with John. When he wanted to return home in the pilot, Dean took him, even though John was still missing.
I think it's a perspective issue. From Sam's perspective, of course Dean saying "we're doing it this way" would grate. That said, even at Dean's worst in S1, he was never so bad as he was in 5x05. Dean was a jackass in 5x05, which was annoying because he had legit reasons to be annoyed and distrustful of Sam's judgment but instead he was shown as petty.
Dean failed to do that several times and proved he would never ever do that.
When did Dean fail to do this? When he was possessed by Meg? That's the only major incident that comes to mind and I think the entire fandom would have exploded if Dean had actually killed Sam in BUaBS. Otherwise, the next major issue where he knew Sam was really going offtrack was in S4. There were a couple of incidents in S3 that he obviously was suspicious and leery about (I think he even asked Bobby once if Sam seemed "different" since his resurrection), but nothing worth killing Sam over.
When he found out about Sam using his powers and thought he was going dark side, he immediately confronted him on it. Later, when Sam wanted him to trust his judgment about the powers (and Ruby), he did as Sam requested because again Dean saw nothing worth killing Sam over. When it became obvious that Sam really WAS going off the rails, he took decisive action. Seems Dean did his part here to me.
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