I also liked Levee better I think. Because I felt somehow that it was a more honest look at what was going on inside Sam in some ways. But maybe that's because this episode didn't deal with Sam's feelings for Dean at all. Hopefully that will come soon though. *fingerscrossed*
Yeah I think a scene with Dean trying to teach Cas how to pick up hot chicks at a bar, could have been equally hilarious. But then they probably couldn't have gotten the DeadBeatDaddy anvils in. ;)
I enjoyed Levee, but the wank surrounding that episode and Bobby's random attitude shifts spoiled it for me. Too many people who took Sam's hallucinations as utter proof that, no really, Sam was doing the right thing and was on the right path and Dean was being an idiot for daring to think him in the wrong - it got tiring. I sort of wanted to smack Dean for leaving Sam alone, for that matter.
Pretty sure we're going to get some input on Sam's feelings for Dean soon, and hopefully even see something where Dean figures out what he's feeling himself. I keep seeing posts from people declaring that Dean's just in denial and he's fooling no one, but I think the situation is a lot more complex than that. While it's not really fair to Sam, I think Dean's relating his remaining horror about Hell and his terror in S3 (and perhaps even the issues with Sam's "destiny" in S2 and John's disappearance and death in S1) with Sam now and so of course it's going to feel like a weight lifted to no longer have to deal with all of that. And that's a
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I dunno. There's been awful lot of wank around this episode as well but that's not my issue with it. Mostly it's just how boring certain scenes were to me.
Pretty sure we're going to get some input on Sam's feelings for Dean soon, and hopefully even see something where Dean figures out what he's feeling himself. I keep seeing posts from people declaring that Dean's just in denial and he's fooling no one, but I think the situation is a lot more complex than that. While it's not really fair to Sam, I think Dean's relating his remaining horror about Hell and his terror in S3 (and perhaps even the issues with Sam's "destiny" in S2 and John's disappearance and death in S1) with Sam now and so of course it's going to feel like a weight lifted to no longer have to deal with all of that. And that's a lot more difficult to work through than a petulant "I'm just FINE without him!" sour grapes sort of attitude. Yeah I don't think Dean is just in denial. That scene was way more complex than that. I think there was a substantial amount of truth
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Some spoilers for 5x04ginzaiSeptember 28 2009, 14:55:02 UTC
Yeah I don't think Dean is just in denial. That scene was way more complex than that. I think there was a substantial amount of truth in his declaration but that doesn't mean that he's stopped loving or missing his brother. These characters are capable of having more than one emotion at a time, contradictory though they may be. :)Exactly! That's why I get so annoyed when people are all "oh, he's just in denial! He'll come around!" because while I do think Dean is trying to subsume how much he misses his brother, his anger is a real and valid emotion, as is his resentment and his relief at not having to deal withhis family any more
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Re: Some spoilers for 5x04mangokulfiSeptember 28 2009, 21:04:46 UTC
Yeah I was curious about Sam not going to Bobby's. But I guess from a character stand-point, it makes sense since Sam tends to go off by himself to lick his wounds.
Also it looks like they wanted a SamSex episode (though that ended up on the cutting room floor) and I guess that wouldn't have been possible if he was at Bobby's. Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me. It's just kind of bizarre and I'm really glad wiser heads prevailed.
I suspect it has something to do with them attempting to give Sam someone sympathetic to talk to, which is what Cas has become for Dean. But man, they just cannot seem to get a decent 20-something actress or even write a decent 20-something female character, if their life depended on it.
The spoilers make me nervous. I'm quite worried that the moral of 5x04 will be that Dean needs to get off his high horse and reconcile with his brother for the good of the world and frankly that
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Re: Some spoilers for 5x04ginzaiSeptember 29 2009, 00:39:49 UTC
Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me. You might have something to that. It also would have been harder to have the hunters attack him at Bobby's and that would have denied him the opportunity to reject the demon blood. Though they could have worked it as Sam working at a bar in Bobby's home town, I suppose it might have come across as contrived and ultra convenient. Well. Not that it sort of didn't regardless, but it would have been worse had it been Bobby's town
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Yeah I think a scene with Dean trying to teach Cas how to pick up hot chicks at a bar, could have been equally hilarious. But then they probably couldn't have gotten the DeadBeatDaddy anvils in. ;)
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Pretty sure we're going to get some input on Sam's feelings for Dean soon, and hopefully even see something where Dean figures out what he's feeling himself. I keep seeing posts from people declaring that Dean's just in denial and he's fooling no one, but I think the situation is a lot more complex than that. While it's not really fair to Sam, I think Dean's relating his remaining horror about Hell and his terror in S3 (and perhaps even the issues with Sam's "destiny" in S2 and John's disappearance and death in S1) with Sam now and so of course it's going to feel like a weight lifted to no longer have to deal with all of that. And that's a ( ... )
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Pretty sure we're going to get some input on Sam's feelings for Dean soon, and hopefully even see something where Dean figures out what he's feeling himself. I keep seeing posts from people declaring that Dean's just in denial and he's fooling no one, but I think the situation is a lot more complex than that. While it's not really fair to Sam, I think Dean's relating his remaining horror about Hell and his terror in S3 (and perhaps even the issues with Sam's "destiny" in S2 and John's disappearance and death in S1) with Sam now and so of course it's going to feel like a weight lifted to no longer have to deal with all of that. And that's a lot more difficult to work through than a petulant "I'm just FINE without him!" sour grapes sort of attitude. Yeah I don't think Dean is just in denial. That scene was way more complex than that. I think there was a substantial amount of truth ( ... )
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Also it looks like they wanted a SamSex episode (though that ended up on the cutting room floor) and I guess that wouldn't have been possible if he was at Bobby's. Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me. It's just kind of bizarre and I'm really glad wiser heads prevailed.
I suspect it has something to do with them attempting to give Sam someone sympathetic to talk to, which is what Cas has become for Dean. But man, they just cannot seem to get a decent 20-something actress or even write a decent 20-something female character, if their life depended on it.
The spoilers make me nervous. I'm quite worried that the moral of 5x04 will be that Dean needs to get off his high horse and reconcile with his brother for the good of the world and frankly that ( ... )
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OK that should be best-looking epis in terms of production values. *blush*
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