Re: Some spoilers for 5x04mangokulfiSeptember 28 2009, 21:04:46 UTC
Yeah I was curious about Sam not going to Bobby's. But I guess from a character stand-point, it makes sense since Sam tends to go off by himself to lick his wounds.
Also it looks like they wanted a SamSex episode (though that ended up on the cutting room floor) and I guess that wouldn't have been possible if he was at Bobby's. Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me. It's just kind of bizarre and I'm really glad wiser heads prevailed.
I suspect it has something to do with them attempting to give Sam someone sympathetic to talk to, which is what Cas has become for Dean. But man, they just cannot seem to get a decent 20-something actress or even write a decent 20-something female character, if their life depended on it.
The spoilers make me nervous. I'm quite worried that the moral of 5x04 will be that Dean needs to get off his high horse and reconcile with his brother for the good of the world and frankly that invalidates Dean's move towards independence. That would make going back to Sam a necessity rather than a desire and Dean's had enough with being forced into taking care of his brother. The man has had to do it since he was four with the only break he got from his duty being a few years with his father (who abandoned him after singing Sam's graces to random people to such an extent that they remembered years after the fact - see Phantom Traveler) and his forty years in Hell. Let's have less being needed and more being wanted, eh?
Hehe. I'm not worried about Dean's big lesson learned in 504 because I'm pretty much reconciled to the fact that it is going to be one big get-back-to-your-family-dumbass smackdown. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy what looks like one of the best-looing epis in terms of family values and the two Deans and just ignore the rest. The only thing that gives me a tiny bit of hope is that Edlund is writing this one and he does seem to appreciate Dean in a way that none of the other writers do, including Kripke. Hopefully the smack-down will be gentle and come across more as Dean feels that with the world and his brother's immortal soul at stake, he has to be the bigger man and forgive if not forget. Rather than Dean was meeeeeen to Sam and brought about the end of the world. Of course no matter what, that's how certain factions of this fandom are going to interpret it anyway. Oh well.
Re: Some spoilers for 5x04ginzaiSeptember 29 2009, 00:39:49 UTC
Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me.
You might have something to that. It also would have been harder to have the hunters attack him at Bobby's and that would have denied him the opportunity to reject the demon blood. Though they could have worked it as Sam working at a bar in Bobby's home town, I suppose it might have come across as contrived and ultra convenient. Well. Not that it sort of didn't regardless, but it would have been worse had it been Bobby's town.
And SO AGREED on the issue of Sam having sex while remembering Jess! Seriously, how could anyone have thought that to be a good idea? I don't mind the waitress lady as a potential romantic interest in general, but not in an episode where Sam is flooded with reminders of Jess, kthx. Seriously, way to disrespect the memory of his dead almost-fiancee!
5x04 does look particularly tasty in a lot of ways. I can't wait to see what they do with that set - it looks amazing! And while I expect to be hammered over the head with this week's moral, here's hoping it won't be a complete brick to the face. And you've a point; no matter what, there will be people who come to the conclusion that Dean's rejection of Sam is what leads to the end of the world.
My only question is who sends Dean forward in time; it's a power of the angels, but not one Lucifer seems inclined to play around with and if Zachariah and his ilk could get ahold of Dean, it would be to torture him into submission, not to send him on a field trip through time. Which leaves God and Castiel, to my mind. Castiel did seem a bit upset that Dean was so ready to dismiss Sam in 5x03, so perhaps he's the one who does it but messing with the future seems like such a major deal, far more difficult than sending someone to the past. Only one past but an infinite number of futures, you know? And Castiel is supposedly weakened now (though he seems far more badass now than he did in S4), so perhaps it was God after all?
All I know is that I'm looking forward to Thursday!
Also it looks like they wanted a SamSex episode (though that ended up on the cutting room floor) and I guess that wouldn't have been possible if he was at Bobby's. Although why they thought Sam would be in any kind of headspace to be having casual sex (especially when he's having visions of Jessica) is totally beyond me. It's just kind of bizarre and I'm really glad wiser heads prevailed.
I suspect it has something to do with them attempting to give Sam someone sympathetic to talk to, which is what Cas has become for Dean. But man, they just cannot seem to get a decent 20-something actress or even write a decent 20-something female character, if their life depended on it.
The spoilers make me nervous. I'm quite worried that the moral of 5x04 will be that Dean needs to get off his high horse and reconcile with his brother for the good of the world and frankly that invalidates Dean's move towards independence. That would make going back to Sam a necessity rather than a desire and Dean's had enough with being forced into taking care of his brother. The man has had to do it since he was four with the only break he got from his duty being a few years with his father (who abandoned him after singing Sam's graces to random people to such an extent that they remembered years after the fact - see Phantom Traveler) and his forty years in Hell. Let's have less being needed and more being wanted, eh?
Hehe. I'm not worried about Dean's big lesson learned in 504 because I'm pretty much reconciled to the fact that it is going to be one big get-back-to-your-family-dumbass smackdown. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy what looks like one of the best-looing epis in terms of family values and the two Deans and just ignore the rest. The only thing that gives me a tiny bit of hope is that Edlund is writing this one and he does seem to appreciate Dean in a way that none of the other writers do, including Kripke. Hopefully the smack-down will be gentle and come across more as Dean feels that with the world and his brother's immortal soul at stake, he has to be the bigger man and forgive if not forget. Rather than Dean was meeeeeen to Sam and brought about the end of the world. Of course no matter what, that's how certain factions of this fandom are going to interpret it anyway. Oh well.
Reply
OK that should be best-looking epis in terms of production values. *blush*
Reply
You might have something to that. It also would have been harder to have the hunters attack him at Bobby's and that would have denied him the opportunity to reject the demon blood. Though they could have worked it as Sam working at a bar in Bobby's home town, I suppose it might have come across as contrived and ultra convenient. Well. Not that it sort of didn't regardless, but it would have been worse had it been Bobby's town.
And SO AGREED on the issue of Sam having sex while remembering Jess! Seriously, how could anyone have thought that to be a good idea? I don't mind the waitress lady as a potential romantic interest in general, but not in an episode where Sam is flooded with reminders of Jess, kthx. Seriously, way to disrespect the memory of his dead almost-fiancee!
5x04 does look particularly tasty in a lot of ways. I can't wait to see what they do with that set - it looks amazing! And while I expect to be hammered over the head with this week's moral, here's hoping it won't be a complete brick to the face. And you've a point; no matter what, there will be people who come to the conclusion that Dean's rejection of Sam is what leads to the end of the world.
My only question is who sends Dean forward in time; it's a power of the angels, but not one Lucifer seems inclined to play around with and if Zachariah and his ilk could get ahold of Dean, it would be to torture him into submission, not to send him on a field trip through time. Which leaves God and Castiel, to my mind. Castiel did seem a bit upset that Dean was so ready to dismiss Sam in 5x03, so perhaps he's the one who does it but messing with the future seems like such a major deal, far more difficult than sending someone to the past. Only one past but an infinite number of futures, you know? And Castiel is supposedly weakened now (though he seems far more badass now than he did in S4), so perhaps it was God after all?
All I know is that I'm looking forward to Thursday!
Reply
Reply
Reply
Leave a comment