"Aprendí a quitarle al tiempo los segundos.."

Mar 28, 2006 11:48

I keep randomly losing o-rings. I used to have god knows how many 0g's, but now I'm down to about 4. So today I ordered 2 KAOS silicone eyelets (from BAF because BAF is the greatest).
Here are the bitches:

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pixeled March 28 2006, 19:36:43 UTC
46 for me. Tristeza.

Meat is food. Either way you have to murder it to be able to eat it. Yes, mass slaughtering is bad, but you have to admit it serves a purpose. Just as you have a way of seeing things, other do too. I respect your opinion though, and your choice. I could never be a vegan, I love real cheese and eggs too much XD.

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gemini1185 March 28 2006, 20:11:17 UTC
Just because other people have different opinions of seeing things doesnt mean theyre always the best, i.e. Hitler killing having thousands of innocent people killed.

So if mass slaughtering of animals okay as long as serves its "purpose" of being eaten by people, one can say that the Holocause was okay being that it served Hitler's purpose.

You could never be vegan because youre not willing to be vegan, youre not willing to give up cheese and eggs, which I see as selfishness: One's own personal desires are not more important than the welfare of other living creatures.

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WTF, Candice? pixeled March 28 2006, 20:14:34 UTC
I never like how you seem to force this feeling on me, but you do what you want.

I wasn't attacking you so I don't appreciate feeling attacked and told I'm selfish. Note for the future.

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Re: WTF, Candice? gemini1185 March 28 2006, 20:18:00 UTC
Claiming that the slaughtering of innocent animals is okay of it "serves" a purpose was an attack on the rights that animals have as living creatures, which I am determined to defend. Therefore, I saw it as an attack against me.

I do it see it as pretty selfish when you put your own carnal desires before the lives of others. I cannot help it if you disagree.

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Re: WTF, Candice? pixeled March 28 2006, 20:21:17 UTC
We use resources. Plants are eaten by animals and we eat animals when we're not vegetarians. Just because we can get nutrients from other sources doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. Sorry.

World goes round, things are sacrificed to continue the cycle. Get over it, and don't attack me.

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Re: WTF, Candice? gemini1185 March 28 2006, 20:28:03 UTC
Instead of taking the lives of these innocent creatures, we could continually other resources. Then they can be spared the violent cruelty which, I'm sure, you would never like to experience.
I'm sure if you were one of those animals being mass slaughtered for the "purpopse" of selfish human beings, you would be all for the vegan cause.

Getting over of it all would mean accepting the way things are, which of course, I will not do. The immorailty/inhumanity of it all can indeed be changed into positivity, and that's my goal, so I wont "get over it" til that is achieved.

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Re: WTF, Candice? pixeled March 28 2006, 20:34:39 UTC
Getting heated at me is kind of pointless, especially as I don't eat meat much to begin with and don't find anything wrong with you defending your cause. I just don't see what you wish (animals to stop being killed/used for products such as milk, eggs, etc.) to ever stop. It's my opinion, and I think we should agree to disagree.

I'm a little hurt that you jumped on me like that, honestly. I've never said anything bad about you and I think it was a little unfair.

But whatever.

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Re: WTF, Candice? gemini1185 March 28 2006, 20:50:16 UTC
My goal is simply for animals to stop being taken advantage of, which can only happen once humans decides to get over themselvesYou did not say anything bad about me. However, you implied that the murder of animals is okay, which I whole heartedly disagree with and am extremely passionate about ( ... )

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Re: WTF, Candice? pixeled March 28 2006, 21:00:37 UTC
I don't think eating something I like should be equated to something as extreme as the Holocaust, and I especially don't appreciate it because most of my family on my father's side was killed in the Holocaust.

I understand eating products made/extracted from animals is seen as participating and perpetuating a cruel act to you, and I agree that the way animals are killed and treted in general during their life is cruel too. However, I also see animals hanging about on a farm having a good life of sleeping, eating, and playing around. It's only when animals are killed early in life and forced into horrible conditions that I feel bad for them, but I'll be honest and say that I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs to really do anything about it. You can see that as selfish. I see it as normal, especially because there are a lot of important things I want to deal with--and I realize they are only important to me, but oh well.

I will stop it here. I have nothing more to say, as this argument could go on forever.

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Re: WTF, Candice? gemini1185 March 28 2006, 21:23:02 UTC
Actually, the two tragic situations can and SHOULD be equated, as "35 million cows" are slaughtered EACH YEAR for human consumption and 250 cattle are killed per hour.
The Holocaust served Hitler's "purpose". The slaughtering of animals serves human "purpose".
You dont appreciate it because your father's family was killed int he Holocaust and I understand that. However, do you think that it's okay for all of those animals to be brutally murdered in a similar manner as your father's relatives. Do you think that it's okay for your calves to be murdered because they're meat "tastes better". Do you think it's okay for old cows to be murdered because they dont serve "the purpose" anymore.
Theyre extremely similar situations, the only difference being that in one humans were killed and in the other animals were killed, which goes back to the the point that the the lives are human beings are NO MORE important than the lives of animals. Both are immoral events that should never have happened/happen.

I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs ( ... )

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Re: WTF, Candice? pixeled March 28 2006, 21:04:34 UTC
Also: I do not think you're any better of a person or more selfless than I am just because you back a cause to liberate animals. To say that I am selfish like you have is just a tad hypocritical.

Okay, now I'm done.

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Re: WTF, Candice? gemini1185 March 28 2006, 21:24:25 UTC
Indeed, no one is perfect. However, the difference lies in making a heartfelt attempt to be more selfless and compassionate.

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gemini1185 March 28 2006, 20:13:18 UTC
Meat does not HAVE to be food. Innocent animals do not HAVE to be murdered, given that we can obtain those nutrients from other more humane sources.
How willing are you to go and kill a cow yourself?
Better yet, how would you like to be murdered so that some other human being or some animal could eat you.

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