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Re: WTF, Candice?gemini1185March 28 2006, 20:50:16 UTC
My goal is simply for animals to stop being taken advantage of, which can only happen once humans decides to get over themselves.
You did not say anything bad about me. However, you implied that the murder of animals is okay, which I whole heartedly disagree with and am extremely passionate about. "Do unto others as you would have done to you". Unforunately, that's not the way most humans think. Instead of defending the rights of animals, people allow for the injustices to continue. Yet, the minute a human being is treated in such a way as animals are IE THE HOLOCAUST, humans react feverishly. The lives and rights of humans are NO MORE important than those of animals, as we are all living creatures who deserved to be treated with loving compassionate kindness. Therefore, if you think I was attacking you, that was not the case. I was simply trying to get you to tsee the immorality of your statements.
The only way we will ever agree wholeheartedly is if you accept that eating meat and/or dairy is unjustifiable exploitation of animals and that they should be treated just as we would like to be treated. So for now, we must agree to disagree.
Re: WTF, Candice?pixeledMarch 28 2006, 21:00:37 UTC
I don't think eating something I like should be equated to something as extreme as the Holocaust, and I especially don't appreciate it because most of my family on my father's side was killed in the Holocaust.
I understand eating products made/extracted from animals is seen as participating and perpetuating a cruel act to you, and I agree that the way animals are killed and treted in general during their life is cruel too. However, I also see animals hanging about on a farm having a good life of sleeping, eating, and playing around. It's only when animals are killed early in life and forced into horrible conditions that I feel bad for them, but I'll be honest and say that I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs to really do anything about it. You can see that as selfish. I see it as normal, especially because there are a lot of important things I want to deal with--and I realize they are only important to me, but oh well.
I will stop it here. I have nothing more to say, as this argument could go on forever.
Re: WTF, Candice?gemini1185March 28 2006, 21:23:02 UTC
Actually, the two tragic situations can and SHOULD be equated, as "35 million cows" are slaughtered EACH YEAR for human consumption and 250 cattle are killed per hour. The Holocaust served Hitler's "purpose". The slaughtering of animals serves human "purpose". You dont appreciate it because your father's family was killed int he Holocaust and I understand that. However, do you think that it's okay for all of those animals to be brutally murdered in a similar manner as your father's relatives. Do you think that it's okay for your calves to be murdered because they're meat "tastes better". Do you think it's okay for old cows to be murdered because they dont serve "the purpose" anymore. Theyre extremely similar situations, the only difference being that in one humans were killed and in the other animals were killed, which goes back to the the point that the the lives are human beings are NO MORE important than the lives of animals. Both are immoral events that should never have happened/happen.
I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs to really do anything about it. You can see that as selfish. And of course I do, because your affairs, in the grand scheme of things, are no more important than those of animals. Just like mine are no important than yours and mine are no more important than those of animals. Just because that way of thinking is "normal" and accepted by society doesn't make it right. After all, many people used to consider any sexuality other than heterosexuality to be "abnormal". Self-lessness will do our society so much better in the long run. The farms where the animals are roaming around happy and free are far and few between. Those are the organic farms. However, organic farms tend to sell their "products" at higher costs than slaughterhouses, so therefore thereis a higher demand for these brutally slaughtered animals. And even with organic cows, they may be happy but their end is still the same as that of cows in slaughterhouses, on someone's plate. I'm sure that if you were a cow you wouldnt want that. Or how about if cannabalism was accepted and you were made to stay enclosed in a farm for the rest of your life until you were eaten by other human beings. Which brings up another point: eating other humans beings is so looked down upon, yet it's supposedly okay to eat animals?
and I realize they are only important to me, but oh well. Such a statement leads me to believe that ýou will continue to think that way and buy into the selfishness of our society until you let go of the ego that our society has had us believe to be so important.
Re: WTF, Candice?pixeledMarch 28 2006, 21:04:34 UTC
Also: I do not think you're any better of a person or more selfless than I am just because you back a cause to liberate animals. To say that I am selfish like you have is just a tad hypocritical.
You did not say anything bad about me. However, you implied that the murder of animals is okay, which I whole heartedly disagree with and am extremely passionate about.
"Do unto others as you would have done to you".
Unforunately, that's not the way most humans think. Instead of defending the rights of animals, people allow for the injustices to continue.
Yet, the minute a human being is treated in such a way as animals are IE THE HOLOCAUST, humans react feverishly.
The lives and rights of humans are NO MORE important than those of animals, as we are all living creatures who deserved to be treated with loving compassionate kindness.
Therefore, if you think I was attacking you, that was not the case. I was simply trying to get you to tsee the immorality of your statements.
The only way we will ever agree wholeheartedly is if you accept that eating meat and/or dairy is unjustifiable exploitation of animals and that they should be treated just as we would like to be treated.
So for now, we must agree to disagree.
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I understand eating products made/extracted from animals is seen as participating and perpetuating a cruel act to you, and I agree that the way animals are killed and treted in general during their life is cruel too. However, I also see animals hanging about on a farm having a good life of sleeping, eating, and playing around. It's only when animals are killed early in life and forced into horrible conditions that I feel bad for them, but I'll be honest and say that I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs to really do anything about it. You can see that as selfish. I see it as normal, especially because there are a lot of important things I want to deal with--and I realize they are only important to me, but oh well.
I will stop it here. I have nothing more to say, as this argument could go on forever.
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The Holocaust served Hitler's "purpose". The slaughtering of animals serves human "purpose".
You dont appreciate it because your father's family was killed int he Holocaust and I understand that. However, do you think that it's okay for all of those animals to be brutally murdered in a similar manner as your father's relatives. Do you think that it's okay for your calves to be murdered because they're meat "tastes better". Do you think it's okay for old cows to be murdered because they dont serve "the purpose" anymore.
Theyre extremely similar situations, the only difference being that in one humans were killed and in the other animals were killed, which goes back to the the point that the the lives are human beings are NO MORE important than the lives of animals. Both are immoral events that should never have happened/happen.
I'm too wrapped up in my own affairs to really do anything about it. You can see that as selfish.
And of course I do, because your affairs, in the grand scheme of things, are no more important than those of animals. Just like mine are no important than yours and mine are no more important than those of animals.
Just because that way of thinking is "normal" and accepted by society doesn't make it right. After all, many people used to consider any sexuality other than heterosexuality to be "abnormal".
Self-lessness will do our society so much better in the long run.
The farms where the animals are roaming around happy and free are far and few between. Those are the organic farms. However, organic farms tend to sell their "products" at higher costs than slaughterhouses, so therefore thereis a higher demand for these brutally slaughtered animals. And even with organic cows, they may be happy but their end is still the same as that of cows in slaughterhouses, on someone's plate. I'm sure that if you were a cow you wouldnt want that.
Or how about if cannabalism was accepted and you were made to stay enclosed in a farm for the rest of your life until you were eaten by other human beings. Which brings up another point: eating other humans beings is so looked down upon, yet it's supposedly okay to eat animals?
and I realize they are only important to me, but oh well.
Such a statement leads me to believe that ýou will continue to think that way and buy into the selfishness of our society until you let go of the ego that our society has had us believe to be so important.
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Okay, now I'm done.
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