Comments | frolicndetour: Kevin Grazier Can Blow Me

frolicndetour

Kevin Grazier Can Blow Me

Jul 19, 2009 15:35

Found out about this article via greycoupon.

Short version for those who don't want to click: Bawww! Fans hated the finale. That's cuz they just didn't GET it. They didn't get it cuz they're GURLZ SHIPPERS ( Read more... )

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nicole_anell July 19 2009, 20:00:31 UTC

coming from Kevin Gravier, who used to hang out in the Kara/Lee shipper thread all the time, sucking up to the posters and trying to get a date.
*snerk* I thought about that too.

am I the only one who thinks that it should have been possible for both relationships to get a satisfactory ending?
No, but I'm the only one who thought they *did*. *g*

Let your rant out! That interview almost made me want to hate the finale on principle. Shut UP, dude.

rap541 July 19 2009, 20:07:28 UTC

Actually I thought both relationships got a satisfactory ending as well. Kara loved them both, and neither man got to keep her.

I didn't like the "Poochie returns to his home planet" aspect... but I thought both Sam and Lee were treated respectfully and not tossed aside for one or the other.

nicole_anell July 19 2009, 21:20:26 UTC

"Poochie returns to his home planet"
Ha! I think somebody actually did a YouTube parody with the Poochie audio.

frolicndetour July 19 2009, 20:10:15 UTC

It's below the belt, but he so asked for it. *sheepish*

No, but I'm the only one who thought they *did*. *g*

I know. :) The eternal 'glass half full' battlestar fan, you are. <3 And I do think your point about expectations was a fair one. I just... man the fucking pigeon, you know?!

That interview almost made me want to hate the finale on principle.

I know!!! After all the crazy haters who made me want to LIKE it on principle. Is there no end to the maddness?!

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oh, also! nicole_anell July 19 2009, 20:27:56 UTC

Hee, I realized I had more to say, but everybody was busy assuring me I'm not alone about my K/L finale feelings. Woohoo ( ... )

Re: oh, also! frolicndetour July 20 2009, 00:16:03 UTC

I know even a few K/L shippers liked it! Just not many. ;p

(And really, the pigeon? I figured RDM was just trying to be an Artsy Television Guy and throw something in that *looked* cool and symbolic and left people wondering what it meant. To me it was a pretty small moment, so I think it's funny how it's become a symbol of Everything Wrong With Daybreak for some fans. *g*)It's just such an easy target! It became a symbol, though not the way he intended. ;) I still need someone to make that Nickleback "Hero" Kara-vid with footage of the pigeon flying heroically into the unknown ( ... )

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Re: oh, also! frolicndetour July 20 2009, 04:13:41 UTC

I mean, just shut UP and we'll go our separate ways in a fizzling out we'll-always-have-Pegasus kind of breakup way, but oh nooooo, show, you can't do that, you keep picking up the phone at 3am when you're drunk to drag shit up.

This seriously made me laugh for like five minutes. So we're even. ;) *sporfles*

But seriously. I've been trying with some small measure of success to fanwank my way into being happy with some parts of the ending. Now I just want to be ultra- bitter again to spite this douchebag. ;p

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beccatoria July 19 2009, 20:34:39 UTC

OH UGH. I'm kind of scared to go read that interview now. THE RAGE, I can feel it rising pre-emptively!

That's just...argh. I can think of at least one article, written by a guy, debunking the finale in very detailed and epic terms based simply on the narrative logic and scientific fail.

And the idea that women are worst-placed to identify sexism because we have a vested interest is something that never fails to make me want to throttle...things ( ... )

frolicndetour July 20 2009, 01:54:11 UTC

*leads a horde of blue-painted shippers down a giant hill Braveheart-style*

*dies laughing* Okay, that's awesome. I'M WITH YOU. FOR FREEDOM! *charges*

That's just...argh. I can think of at least one article, written by a guy, debunking the finale in very detailed and epic terms based simply on the narrative logic and scientific fail.

Yeah, and as Nicole pointed out, the interviewer was sympathetically questioning him about the science fail, and he immediately deflected by girl-bashing, which the interviewer was only too happy to join him in. Hmm!

And the idea that women are worst-placed to identify sexism because we have a vested interest is something that never fails to make me want to throttle...things.

Oh, it's not 'cuz we're women! It's just 'cuz we like one or more female characters!If we didn't care about any of them, we could totally be capable of putting together a valid argument about how they were treated! :D? :D?

to say that the show itself didn't actively build them up as a major element of the show is a ( ... )

emmiere July 20 2009, 05:08:12 UTC

My god, we've broken out the Braveheart again. I feel there should be some way I can use this as a response for everything on the internets.*g*

"The AlmightyRDM tells me he can get out of this mess, but he's pretty sure we're fucked. "

...

I'm going to bed now after that shameless paraphasing.

frolicndetour July 20 2009, 18:01:50 UTC

*dies laughing*

beccatoria July 19 2009, 20:47:12 UTC

Oh hell, I just went and read it.

1) I hate it when people defend the finale with the word "ambiguity". It has become my pet hate.

2) I am oddly irked by the way he calls the ships Lee/Kara and Sam/Kara. Maybe it's a SciFi board thing, but I've always seen it with Kara's name first and I dunno. I'd sure I'm being ridiculously nitpicky but just GAH. It really bugged me for some reason, like it makes he extra specially sexist. AND HE HAS STUPID BOY COOTIES.

3) That thing he leads with? About people liking it when they think they've had to think but hate it when they really have to think? Is like (and I apologise to anyone reading this who liked the finale; I understand this is a matter of pure opinion) the exact the exact reverse of what I want to level at the finale, which I feel was a lot of stuff pretending to be deep and thoughtful that falls apart on any deeper examination?

In conclusion, Kevin Grazier is smelly, throw rocks at him.

frolicndetour July 19 2009, 20:59:26 UTC

I am oddly irked by the way he calls the ships Lee/Kara and Sam/Kara. Maybe it's a SciFi board thing, but I've always seen it with Kara's name first and I dunno. I'd sure I'm being ridiculously nitpicky but just GAH. It really bugged me for some reason, like it makes he extra specially sexist. AND HE HAS STUPID BOY COOTIES.

I'm running out the door for a bit, but I wanted to say THANK YOU for noticing that too. It's NOT a sci-fi board thing, both the shipper threads list Kara first. It seems to go strictly by alphabetical order there. And also Kara tops, it's canon, folks. ;) I'm glad I'm not the only one bugged by that. STUPID BOY COOTIES.

lyssie July 19 2009, 21:20:19 UTC

2. I think some of that may just be the alphabeticalness. Me, I always put women first, 'cause I'm an evil feminist.

beccatoria July 19 2009, 22:04:48 UTC

It probably is the alphabeticalness, but then again:

John/Aeryn, Lee/Laura, D'argo/Chiana, John/Cameron.

In some instances, especially with more minor characters shipped with major characters, it's just putting the more major character first (i.e. Scully/Krycek or Lee/Dee) but other times, you just...end up with a fandom-wide term which isn't alphabetical.

The evil feminist in me frequently suspects subconscious shenanigans.

Kara was just so forceful SUBCONSCIOUS SEXISM COULD NOT CONTAIN HER. You know, until it met Kevin Grazier. :p

Mainly I just like the idea it's because we're all evil feminists that her name got put on the front. You know, if shipping is such a pasttime for silly girlz and all.

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callmeonetrack July 19 2009, 21:05:20 UTC

It's such a silly argument. Pellucid summed it up well when she said it was "smug." He's mistaking fans's desire to experience an ending that validated and acknowledged all of the story that came before it (without dismissing any of that as an unknowable mystery we should just accept under the name of divinity), with the idea that we wanted it to end "our way ( ... )

frolicndetour July 20 2009, 02:59:22 UTC

Smug is the word, yes. And dude, if you were the "science" "adviser" for BSG Season Four, smug is the LAST thing you should be.

without dismissing any of that as an unknowable mystery we should just accept under the name of divinity

I hate to say it, but Jacob called it when he said it was like something you'd come up with at 3am after a lot of coffee the night before your term paper was due. (Okay, I made some of that up, having been in that situation and not caring to look up exactly what he said.) I mean "it's just inexplicable" is an easy out which should be used sparingly.

And yeah, the show spent a fair amount of time developing the relationships, so of course people invested in them. And I'm also a big believer in there being no wrong way to watch a TV show. Including just being in it for one character and/or relationship.

workerbee73 July 20 2009, 11:02:33 UTC

And dude, if you were the "science" "adviser" for BSG Season Four, smug is the LAST thing you should be.

Word. So, so much word to this.