We Love the Women That Fandom Hates- Day 1

Sep 09, 2011 00:26

It is past midnight and thus officially September 9th which means it is the first day of the We Love the Women That Fandom Hates project. For those of you who have only watched Game of Thrones and not read A Song of Ice and Fire, the Catelyn meta today does not refer to events that happen after the first book. However, it does refer to events that ( Read more... )

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misstopia September 9 2011, 15:53:02 UTC
I have comments about the Catelyn & Jon topic! Okay so.

I agree that Cat's resentment of Jon was definitely an unconscious decision. I think she just couldn't help it. But I also think that she tried her best to control it, because part of her knew it was wrong and she wasn't proud of it. She feels a flash of guilt thinking about Jon in the mountains of the Vale, for example, and she dwells a lot more on the pragmatic threats that Jon poses than on her own hurt feelings (though she can certainly admit those to herself). What I think is really telling is how none of her children dwell on it much. Probably Arya and Bran and Rickon are too young to notice, Sansa I'm not sure. Robb is old enough to get it and he definitely knows she has a problem with him. BUT nevertheless when Jon tells him that his mother treated him kindly at Bran's bedside, at the very least it's believable to Robb. At the very least her children probably cannot predict "It should have been you" coming out of her mouth, and while that doesn't make her a ( ... )

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fauxkaren September 9 2011, 17:11:29 UTC
But she just can't move on as well as she would like to (I think she did try to love Jon though, once).
I want to read fic about this!

In ADWD we have that moment where Bran sees his father praying to the old gods that his lady wife could find it in her heart to forgive ... and then it cuts off, but very likely he wants her to forgive him.
I totally forgot about that bit, tbh. Large parts of ADWD went in one ear and out the other, as it were. haha.

I slightly disagree on one point: I don't think modern society would expect Catelyn to love or mother Jon either. I was thinking more in terms of blended families just because Cat and Ned were total strangers when they married. Because modern Western society doesn't have arranged marriages where strangers marry and then are separated for a year, it's impossible to draw a direct analogy. So in my mind, I was seeing it as more like Ned bringing in a child from a previous relationship ( ... )

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misstopia September 9 2011, 18:10:21 UTC
I would love to read some actually thoughtful Cat & Jon fic ... I'm just afraid to ask for it XD

So in my mind, I was seeing it as more like Ned bringing in a child from a previous relationship.

Right, it's just that I think that in Westeros there would be a difference if, for example, Ned had been married before and had a son with his first wife, so Catelyn would in that case have known about Jon going in to the arrangement. You're right though, no direct analogy.

I really want to participate in the fest too, for Cat and a few other women ... I'm just debating whether or not I have the time D:

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fauxkaren September 9 2011, 18:32:25 UTC
Another reason I think that Cat gets flack for not being motherly to Jon (while people tend to not care that Robert is a shit father to his kids) is that there seems to be more pressure on women to be motherly than for men to be fatherly.

And you should participate in the fest! lol. I probably should not have the time for this, but I am totally making time. Probably not the wisest life decision, but it's fun!

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misstopia September 9 2011, 19:04:12 UTC
Well I definitely think that fictional mothers are held to silly standards, as all fictional women inevitably are. Don't you know that all mothers are always motherly to all people all of the time? etc. But I also think that Martin handles motherhood differently from fatherhood too ... and I keep meaning to write meta about it.

I WANT TO. BUT WHAT SHOULD I DO FOR TODAY THEN.

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fauxkaren September 9 2011, 19:11:03 UTC
Yeees. Write meta about it! I have so many half written metas on my hard drive. I like that this fest is forcing me to finish some of them. haha.

For today you could just post a list of Cat-centric fic recs! That wouldn't take too much time. It's totally do-able.

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