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Sandor Clegane

Feb 26, 2007 07:35

Why do we love Sandor? I mean, he mocks Robb for being the warrior equivalent of an old maid at 14(when I was your age...*lol*), kills a kid and enjoys it, and lusts after a twelve year old girl. I love Sandykins to pieces but he doesn't look good at first glance ( Read more... )

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summersdream February 26 2007, 15:27:05 UTC

Ah, Sandor... I was indifferent to him until he drug Sansa home from the feast and told her about Gregor. I wasn't even overly moved by his killing of poor Mycah. He was ordered to kill the poor kid after all. I blamed Robert and Cersei for that death, not the guy who held the sword ( ... )

redcandle17 February 26 2007, 16:48:54 UTC

Mycah's death isn't Sandor's fault but he didn't have to enjoy it. Not that I care. I just can't shake the sense that I should care. :P

Eeep, don't even mention LJS! I love Rashel/Quinn because they were pyschopaths not despite it. And even though it's implied Ash used his powers to take sexual advantage of girls, he's still Ash. And nevermind that Julian terrorized Jenny and her friends, he's totally hot and wanted to give her anything she wanted. (Damn, Jenny was stupid) Okay. I blame LJS for my issues. She clearly damaged my fragile twelve year old mind.

I read a romance novel last month with a 17yr heroine and a 30yr hero and I was squicked. It was probably because he had a daughter her age though. I've read historical romances before and haven't been bothered by age differences unless the hero has kids. It's a good thing Sandor doesn't have kids(though still funny that Gregor's squire thought Arya was his puppy).

Notice, when Sandor had Sansa in a bed, he didn't do anything? I wonder if he didn't squick himself right then. ( ... )

summersdream February 26 2007, 19:47:23 UTC

Was he enjoying it? Or was that just one of those yell-at-Arya-to-make-her-made things?

omg Jenny was an IDIOT Oh, Ash. sigh. He reminds me too much of Jaime. And Rashel/Quinn were complete sociopaths. They're what would happen if Arya and Jaquen were soulmates. Even Thierry was a Lord, which he didn't get by being sweet and cuddly, even if he'd do anything for his soulmate... he still killed people. LJ Smith damaged many, many 12-year-old minds. And suddenly I want to give a set of the NW books to Sansa. She's damaged enough, though.

Okay, yeah, if the hero has a kid the same age as the heroine that would freak me out a bit.

lol. I can see Sandor making that remark to Joff. Or remarking that his job was to keep Joff safe from harm, and asking Joff if he was afraid of a girl. I found it interesting that during that last episode, Sandor did say something. Was he present for the other ones? I don't remember him being there, but my copy of the book is not present.

redcandle17 February 26 2007, 22:55:15 UTC

Was he enjoying it? Or was that just one of those yell-at-Arya-to-make-her-made things?

No, we see Sandor bring back the body from Ned's pov. He throws the body at Ned's feet, then laughs and says, "He ran. But not very fast."

Was he present for the other ones?

Yeah, he was present for most if not all of them. He stayed behind after the first one to tell her how avoid provoking Joffrey's anger, then he wiped away the blood from her face after the second beating later that day.

And Rashel/Quinn were complete sociopaths. They're what would happen if Arya and Jaquen were soulmates.

OMG, yes!

LJS was so different from most young adult or even adult novels. She's one of the few that takes the view that you should kill your enemies not forgive them or just beat them and then leave them alive so they can try again later. I love that Hannah initially made Thiery promise not to kill - after thirty thousand years, she changed her mind. It's the first time I've seen enlightment led from not!killing -> killing.

esc_key February 26 2007, 15:46:23 UTC

I think I liked Sandor when he saved Loras and then told Sansa about his brother. When he's being a jerk in the beginning of the series you're just like "Oh he's a jerk" but then later on you realize he's just a (excuse the bad pun) wounded puppy.

redcandle17 February 26 2007, 22:58:38 UTC

I love the way Sandor just seems like some random thug in the background then turns out to be so important. He's a vicious puppy who rips out throats but he's still cuddly. God, now he reminds me of my former dog.

dreamstalk February 26 2007, 16:33:37 UTC

Vile tongue, good heart. Ugly as life and tough as twice. I always had a soft spot for cold-blooded killers. I was bored through first chapters, and even Bran's falling do not wake my inner reader. But when he laughed about killing that butcher's son, I laughed with him. That was just like my beloved spaghetti westerns! And Sansa/Sandor is OK to me. SHE IS ADULT by medieval customs.
I hope that he will see another spring.

fontenar February 26 2007, 20:13:23 UTC

Vile tongue, good heart. Ugly as life and tough as twice.

Eloquent, concise, and accurate. I agree with your entire post, but the wording of that deserves applause. If he doesn't see another spring, I will be a very sad girl.

redcandle17 February 26 2007, 23:10:07 UTC

Sansa becomes a woman in Westeros when she has her first period. But Sandor seems to have to been attracted to her months before that. It doesn't bother me, but only because it's Sansa and Sandor.

I want Sandor to live, or at least live long enough to be happy for a while if he has to die before the series end. He's had such a miserable life and no happiness. Poor puppy.

jesatria February 26 2007, 16:52:08 UTC

I hated him at first. Yes, I hated him for killing Mycah & just being a jerk. But my opinion immediately changed when he told Sansa about what Gregor did to him. I started to feel bad for him. I stopped hating him then.

San/San never squicked me, oddly enough. Age gaps like that usually do. I don't know why it appeals to me. I guess if they end up together it would represent Sansa's character coming full circle, as in learning to not judge people by their appearance. And they would both be happy.

Although I admit I'm not a huge Sandor fangirl like the rest of you. My heart belongs to someone else (I think you all know who).

redcandle17 February 26 2007, 23:12:07 UTC

My heart belongs to someone else (I think you all know who).

Whoever could that be? ;)

shadowvalkyrie February 26 2007, 18:29:58 UTC

Perhaps you'll all look a bit weirdly at me for that, but I love Sandor because I identify with him (not completely, but on some levels).
He resembles the characters I like to write: a cynical embittered loner, but honest enough in his anti-social way and with odd morals of his own.
I know I'm a minority with that, but I don't actually like him paired with Sansa, not because the age gap bothers me (which it doesn't), but because I'm not really fond of her. As a long-term relationship, they wouldn't really get along, not to mention the fact that she is scared to death by him. My favourite scenes in the books are when he is on the road with Arya, because the two of them have a lot in common. If she were a bit older, I actually think they could love each other.

fontenar February 26 2007, 20:11:58 UTC

Gods be praised, I've found my soulmate! I'm not enough of a little emo bitch to go around saying I can completely identify with Sandor, because that would just be ridiculous because I haven't gone through trillionth of the shit he has, but I'm enough of a cynical outsider that I can picture myself in his shoes far more easily than, say, Robb's or Sansa's or any of the other "good" characters. He's a surly bastard with his own kind of brutal honesty and his own system of morals which, while it doesn't stop him from killing on command like the attack-dog he is, still makes him despite his disillusionment the only "true knight" aside from Brienne that my sleep-deprived brain can dredge up at the moment. He's the kind of character I wish I'd dreamt up myself - he must be incredibly fun to write ( ... )

shadowvalkyrie February 26 2007, 21:14:56 UTC

Heh! That's unexpected! Great to find someone understands ( ... )

fontenar February 26 2007, 22:32:52 UTC

There is not really any common ground that I can think of, except that they are both outsiders somehow. Their common ground is more pyschological than interest-related. They are both former idealists who have gone through a lot of disillusionment, and come up with opposite reactions; Brienne goes into denial and insistence that honor and all that jazz matters to her, even if to no one else, while Sandor takes a sour grapes, "oh-well-it's-all-bullshit-anyway" approach. Brienne's looking for Sansa and Sandor would probably be, too, in any situation in which they'd meet; they're both great fighters but are not at their peak because they've been recently hurt (just imagine them training together - taking out frustrations, anyone?); they've both had dealings with Lannisters and Starks, once more with the inversion - Sandor the former Lannister sword, Brienne the former Stark sworn woman; they're both stubborn as all hell; they're the only two "true knights" in Westeros now that poor Beric died and stayed dead; and they both have ( ... )

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