BSG Crossroads II Podcast

[dionusia]

Wow, so perhaps a few hints. Perhaps positive ones. Avoid this entry if you're not into mining the podcasts for clues to Season Four.

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[pataka02]

Ooo thanks for sharing this... I admit that I don't have the patience to sit through the podcasts, particularly if they're not talking about Kara. Heh.

I'm glad that they went with Kara in a viper, especially since it repeated Kara's "Death" as well -- going off DRADIS, following the odd lights... I liked that. I don't know what to think about the word "resurrection" in relation to Kara; I'm gonna have to think about that longer, but I do believe it means she's human, and I'm hoping she doesn't have a magical new body or something. That'd be a little weird. Plus, how will Galactica react to a shiny new Kara with no tattoos or scars?

It's funny because both versions of the scene show an intimacy between Lee and Kara, but the viper one fits them much better, I think...

[dionusia]

Plus, how will Galactica react to a shiny new Kara with no tattoos or scars?

A very good point! They would probably be pretty suspicious. Of course Lee might be very happy that the damn Anders-marriage wing tattoo is all gone...once he comes to grips with the fact that the love of his life came back from the dead. Heh.

It's funny because both versions of the scene show an intimacy between Lee and Kara, but the viper one fits them much better, I think...

Total word. Pilots in the air! Happy sighs all around...

I was thinking of heading over to TWoP also to see what the feelings are over there in the podcast thread. You post on TWoP too sometimes, don't you? I remember a pataka02 I think...

[pataka02]

Why yes, I do post on TWOP! I haven't spent much time in the BSG section; I used to comment a lot in the Bones section, but most of the discussions seemed to run in circles. I go through fits where I need to read and reply to posts on TWOP, then get frustrated and stop, only to go again.

But it's amusing to read a variety of show forums and see how different each set of fans are...

I wish I had the patience to listen to the podcasts, but I have to admit that Ron Moore gets on my nerves often. Heh. I feel guilty for saying that, but it's true. He just runs on and gets off subject from the show quite often. I wish there were commentaries by the cast and other members of the crew, at least on the DVDs if not the website.

[bookwormsarah]

I can copy with Ron Moore, but I find his wife annoying - I like the train of conciousness approach when he talks about the different things going on in and around the episode, but she sometimes jumps in with a question or thought that is more abstract and distracts completely. I try not to throw things at the computer...

[alissabobissa]

Holy crap! I really need to go listen to this.

I, for one, am hoping for a real, corporeal Kara. I guess the protective measure (if we are going with her being Kara and not HeadKara or CylonKara) makes sense because her showing up in his quarters would take a hell of a lot more explaining than her showing up in her viper outside Galactica. The way it played out is still supernatural, but it would have been more so the other way.

Well, her death didn’t have any meaning but the resurrection of Kara does.
That is very, very interesting. I really liked the way they did her death, but it felt to me like she was dying for absolutely nothing but the experience of dying itself. So, again, interesting with the word 'resurection.'

I may be back to comment more after I've listened to the podcast myself and had more time to think. :)

[dionusia]

Oh, please do; I'm still kind of processing it myself, I just finished listening to it. And undoubtedly we have a long time to ponder it. I figured I'd save myself some obsessive fangirl time by transcribing it as best as I could.

her showing up in his quarters would take a hell of a lot more explaining than her showing up in her viper outside Galactica

Oh, yeah, I agree...as if during the prep for the huge battle Kara would somehow have docked a ship, or gotten on some other way, without the CIC knowing? And then even once aboard Galactica, in the chaos of the attack alert, no one notices our famous blonde badass walking down the halls, and she makes it all the way to Lee's quarters unchallenged? Heh. Ghost Kara could do that maybe, but real Kara? No, I don't think so.

[bop_radar]

no one notices our famous blonde badass walking down the halls, and she makes it all the way to Lee's quarters unchallenged?
Hee! Yeah, very unlikely. But the whole possibility fills my mind with very amusing alternative pilot-quarters endings:

Kara: Hi Lee!
Lee: *flails*
Kara: It's ok, it's really me, I found Earth, yada yada yada
Lee: Sorry. This'll have to wait. Cylon attack! *flees*

(Not that I think that would have happened, but I like to think that Lee genuinely was rushing to the aid of the fleet and having him get sidetracked in his quarters is way more annoying than having him be already in the air when it happens. Plus I loved the reunion in the skies!)

[dionusia]

Kara: Hi Lee!
Lee: *flails*
Kara: It's ok, it's really me, I found Earth, yada yada yada
Lee: Sorry. This'll have to wait. Cylon attack! *flees*

LMAO, Bop! Do I sense a budding crackfic writer at work here?

I like to think that Lee genuinely was rushing to the aid of the fleet and having him get sidetracked in his quarters is way more annoying

Yeah, I agree...Lee's return to the skies is an important moment for his character too, not just Kara's -- it was perfect to see him become a warrior again. I'm so glad they went with that version.

[bop_radar]

Awesome! I hummed and hahhed about clicking on this post, but I'm super glad I did. I'm spoilerphobic, but I've usually made an exception for the podcasts for past episodes are kind of different... and I really needed to know, damn it!

Tigh's reveal was my biggest "WTF?" moment, because we know he was a Cylon War vet.
That made it the coolest for me. I'm glad they've got an explanation, of course, but I was counting on them having one.

Well, her death didn’t have any meaning but the resurrection of Kara does.
That's the most awesome thing I've heard since the season finale. Period. SO GLAD. Because I did have those issues with Maelstrom and I really did hope that her destiny was not to die but to find Earth. So YAY, yes, she did find Earth. And then DOUBLE YAY if she's really resurrected. My new theory, of course, is that Earth exists only in the afterlife.

Kara walking into Lee’s quarters probably would have pinged our “HeadKara” meters even more than the shiny Viper didYes! And, actually, I did get the sense that Kara's 'it's

[dionusia]

I'm so glad I lured you into reading! *evil grin* You never do know what Moore'll let slip in the podcasts, you're right to be skittish generally. I felt like it would be okay this time, though; I figured he probably delayed the recording of this one until he had figured out exactly what he was going to say about next season. Earlier he does mention that at this point they have the first nine episodes of S4 already broken. Aieee. Such an unbearable wait.

That's the most awesome thing I've heard since the season finale. Period. SO GLAD. Because I did have those issues with Maelstrom and I really did hope that her destiny was not to die but to find Earth.Yay, so glad that this made you happy! I'm jazzed too. And I know what you mean about the Maelstrom issues. I actually think that's what gave lots of people (spoiled or not) the hope that she wasn't truly gone from the show, because the way she died seemed so pointless. But then, Moore's so invested in believing that her return was an unforseeable shock except to 'hardcore fans

[bop_radar]

Moore's so invested in believing that her return was an unforseeable shock except to 'hardcore fans.' Hehe.
Hee! Yeah, I know. *pats Ron* Whatever you need to believe! ;-)

I'll probably listen to it now that I know it's safe. Mary praising Jamie = for the win! Well, anyone praising Jamie is good with me, but she's so great herself, it's doubly awesome.

I have 1/3 of your ficlet pretty well finished.
Really?1 *bounces* Wow!! O.O

[dionusia]

Ooh, cool. I think the Jamie part is right around the 19 minute mark, if that's what you'd like to skip to.

Really? *bounces* Wow!! O.O

Well, it is a ficlet after all...short! Heh. Do you want teasery details or shall it be entirely a surprise?

[hazyshade]

Thanks for the recap and lifting a bit more of the worry about Kara! The whole resurrection thing would fit perfectly, and really, thinking about it, it would be kind of interesting to see that rebirth explored from a human (or super!human) POV to contrast/compare with the Cylon downloading.

I'm glad they went with the viper scene at the end - having them meet again while flying is perfect for them, with the idea of freedom, wings & cosmic dances (watch me get over-pretentious hehe). And it all fits with my Pilots/destiny obsession nicely. Of course, a meeting in Lee's room could have had interesting consequences too... *winks*

[dionusia]

You're very welcome, so glad we can all share the relief! I've read a couple of post-finale interviews by Moore and he seemed a bit contradictory or ambiguous in his phrasing, but somehow I trust what he says on this podcast. "Resurrection" seems so clear.

it would be kind of interesting to see that rebirth explored from a human (or super!human) POV to contrast/compare with the Cylon downloading

So much word. We've already had Three do that "space between life and death" story arc, now I would love a human character resurrection. All those issues with monotheism vs. polytheism too...are the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God the same divine force, or not?

having them meet again while flying is perfect for them, with the idea of freedom, wings & cosmic dances (watch me get over-pretentious hehe)

Cosmic dances! Ah, perfect. I'm mired in academia, so you know I dig this kind of analysis. I could go on and on about the story parallels with the Odyssey or the Aeneid. :D

[hazyshade]

I could go on and on about the story parallels with the Odyssey or the Aeneid. :D
Oh wow, yes. *nods head* Kara as Aeneas leading the Romans fleet from the destruction of Troy the Colonies to a new home. However, I really hope that doesn't make Lee Dido...eep! LOL

I find the religious aspect fascinating as well. And Kara is the perfect character to explore it with, so I'm hopeful that's where the writers will take it. Her dealings with Leoben have certainly highlighted those issues and questions. And of course those issues and parallels are also pertinent to our current mess of a world...and hmm, will that be the Earth they're going to find?

[dionusia]

Kara as Aeneas leading the Romans fleet from the destruction of Troy the Colonies to a new home. However, I really hope that doesn't make Lee Dido...eep!

OMG I LOVE YOU! I looove Kara-as-Aeneas. Going to the realm of death to talk to your parent and get key intel on future home. And Dido Lee, eep! That gave me uncontrollable giggles. But then I want to believe that even the gods ship L/K now, so I think Lee's safe. They're fated. :D

And hey, setting L/K aside for a moment (wow, can I do that?)...what if the whole "New Caprica" storyline was like the Carthage episode? The Trojans Colonials get tired and want to found their settlement there, but it isn't their destiny, and so they leave behind the Cylons and Dido-BoomerThree to curse the heavens and say "Our peoples shall be at war forever!"

I'm completely into the idea of exploring religion more on the show through Kara and not just Laura. She is the most religious Colonial, after all. And Lee? Total atheist. Headed for a big clash of ideas there, I'm sure. They can

[anonymous]

The podcast made me very happy too. If she were some sort of supernatural thingy or a headkara, it wouldn't matter how she got onto the ship or into Lee's quarters. It kinda raises the question for me of why they wrote it that way in the first place. It seems like they must be going with a full on mystical explanation for her resurrection (love that word choice), which, duh, she's back from the dead; but I had wondered if they weren't going to try to technobabble their way out of it

[anonymous]

Uh, it's Allison, btw. You probably guessed. :-)

[dionusia]

Hi, Allison! I hoped it was you! Glad you liked the transcript, I was kind of wondering whether to talk about this stuff in the Kara or the podcast thread. (Hmm.) And you know, when he talked about the allegedly few hardcore fans 'sniffing it out' it made me think of TPTB probably reading your posts in the spoiler thread and shaking their fists, like "Darn it! There goes akennedy with her reassuring logic and interview dissection again!" Hee.

I mean, with the viper thing you could say she just happened to recongnize his ship (whatever), but, coming back from the dead in his bedroom? Hmmm.

Ha, I know! And good thing they got Dee outta there, too. That would've been awkward. But Kara would probably know that it would be safe to burst in on him there, eh? "Oh yeah, Lee, the gods told me they already got her out of the way..."

Along with the Starbuck = Aeneas idea, I have a new crack-theory that Socrata Thrace might be the final Cylon. Mainly because she reminds me of Tigh, and they need another woman. It would tie Kara's

[anonymous]

".And you know, when he talked about the allegedly few hardcore fans 'sniffing it out' it made me think of TPTB probably reading your posts in the spoiler thread and shaking their fists, like "Darn it! There goes akennedy with her reassuring logic and interview dissection again!" Hee