BSG Crossroads II Podcast
Wow, so perhaps a few hints. Perhaps positive ones. Avoid this entry if you're not into mining the podcasts for clues to Season Four.
SO much fascinating info to discuss on the finale podcast (non-Frak-party edition) but these things really grabbed me:
1. The story of the entire crew jumping up and giving Jamie Bamber a standing ovation after he finished shooting the first take of his courtroom speech just warmed my heart. And I agree with that feeling! Bamber knocked it out of the park. You can argue that the speech would have been more suitable for a closing argument rather than a witness' testimony, but IMO that was the entire point: the trial was a farce. Lee shouldn't be on the witness stand at all, and he knew it. So he stepped up and delivered his message, tailor-made to get through to the most important member of his audience: his father. And it did work; Adama finally heard him. Superb.
2. Ron was STILL hoping to work in more references to Lampkin's frakking cat even by the finale. That cat was so random to begin with, I really wonder why. C'mon, in TSAR the bomb plot was discovered by a magical FELIS EX MACHINA? Um. Glad the kitty didn't make it in this time! (Nothing against cats in general, mind you.)
3. I was fascinated to hear again that Ron had some misgivings about making Tigh--arguably the most "human" of the four--a Cylon. He reiterated his promise that there is indeed an explanation behind that. Whew. Of course I believed that they would come up with some kind of explanation, but I admit Tigh's reveal was my biggest "WTF?" moment, because we know he was a Cylon War vet. We'll just have to see how that all plays out, I have confidence it will be handled well.
4. Most fascinating of all: finding out about the alternate take of Kara's reappearance. I'm just going to type out a transcript of this portion of the podcast, because yes, I am that obsessed with Kara, and yes, I will be obsessing over this for a long time to come. (Edited a bit for clarity.)
44:18 mark /4:09 remaining:
“…the original scripted ending was that Kara was going to be in Lee’s quarters; he was going to be rushing into his quarters, he was going to get his helmet and his flight uniform, and then he was going to turn to go, and then he looks up and then Kara is standing in his quarters, and says “Hi Lee” and yeah-right here, when he comes in, he grabs his flight helmet and stuff and he turns, and then BOOM, Kara was going to be there, we were going to play the last scene with Kara in the room.
And then when I was up in Vancouver, and I started having second thoughts and wondering if that made it too supernatural into the next season [emphasis mine] - you know, how would she get in there, and y’know, too many questions, and did I really want to go down that route…and decided to protect ourselves, I said let’s shoot a version where he encounters her in the Viper. He gets in the Viper, he goes out, and Kara comes up next to him in the Viper.
And ultimately in the cut...that was the way Rymer cut it and I decided to go with that too; it was a stronger ending, and it got us outside Galactica, you’ve got action going, and fighters, and you’re sort of--at this point you’re sort of unhinged in terms of where the hell it’s all going, I think. And her sort of reappearance…y’know sure, there were--the true hardcore fans could probably sniff it out, but I think a lot of the audience was shocked when she came up…”
46:38 mark/1:49 remaining:
"And there’s Kara. And this, this idea--when we talked about Maelstrom, this was part and parcel of what Maelstrom was gonna be. We said we’ll kill her here, we’ll take her out of the main title credits for the next few episodes, but then she’s gonna come back at the end and say, y’know, “I’ve found the way to Earth,” and that that fulfilled her destiny. Because I think there were also questions after Maelstrom aired about whether that actually paid off anything, y'know, did her death have any meaning. Well, her death didn’t have any meaning but the resurrection of Kara does.” [emphasis mine]
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Wow, he comes right out and says “resurrection.” It seems to fit with my current theory/preference that she’s back in a corporeal body. (As a cylon or not, though? I'm thinking not, I don't like the idea that she's the last of the final Five, although resurrection could very well apply to both human and cylon.) And shooting her return in a Viper as a ‘protective’ move? Most intriguing. To protect what? My current theory on this one:
Kara walking into Lee’s quarters probably would have pinged our “HeadKara” meters even more than the shiny Viper did, so it seems like Moore might have wanted a kind of reappearance that was less suggestive of a HeadKara or a vision. So she is likely less supernatural than she appears. Good! But then I'd already become pretty sure that she'd be back in a physical body (despite my HeadKara fic), so this might be affecting how I'm evaluating these statements.
What does everyone else think? I'd love to hear other people’s thoughts.
SO much fascinating info to discuss on the finale podcast (non-Frak-party edition) but these things really grabbed me:
1. The story of the entire crew jumping up and giving Jamie Bamber a standing ovation after he finished shooting the first take of his courtroom speech just warmed my heart. And I agree with that feeling! Bamber knocked it out of the park. You can argue that the speech would have been more suitable for a closing argument rather than a witness' testimony, but IMO that was the entire point: the trial was a farce. Lee shouldn't be on the witness stand at all, and he knew it. So he stepped up and delivered his message, tailor-made to get through to the most important member of his audience: his father. And it did work; Adama finally heard him. Superb.
2. Ron was STILL hoping to work in more references to Lampkin's frakking cat even by the finale. That cat was so random to begin with, I really wonder why. C'mon, in TSAR the bomb plot was discovered by a magical FELIS EX MACHINA? Um. Glad the kitty didn't make it in this time! (Nothing against cats in general, mind you.)
3. I was fascinated to hear again that Ron had some misgivings about making Tigh--arguably the most "human" of the four--a Cylon. He reiterated his promise that there is indeed an explanation behind that. Whew. Of course I believed that they would come up with some kind of explanation, but I admit Tigh's reveal was my biggest "WTF?" moment, because we know he was a Cylon War vet. We'll just have to see how that all plays out, I have confidence it will be handled well.
4. Most fascinating of all: finding out about the alternate take of Kara's reappearance. I'm just going to type out a transcript of this portion of the podcast, because yes, I am that obsessed with Kara, and yes, I will be obsessing over this for a long time to come. (Edited a bit for clarity.)
44:18 mark /4:09 remaining:
“…the original scripted ending was that Kara was going to be in Lee’s quarters; he was going to be rushing into his quarters, he was going to get his helmet and his flight uniform, and then he was going to turn to go, and then he looks up and then Kara is standing in his quarters, and says “Hi Lee” and yeah-right here, when he comes in, he grabs his flight helmet and stuff and he turns, and then BOOM, Kara was going to be there, we were going to play the last scene with Kara in the room.
And then when I was up in Vancouver, and I started having second thoughts and wondering if that made it too supernatural into the next season [emphasis mine] - you know, how would she get in there, and y’know, too many questions, and did I really want to go down that route…and decided to protect ourselves, I said let’s shoot a version where he encounters her in the Viper. He gets in the Viper, he goes out, and Kara comes up next to him in the Viper.
And ultimately in the cut...that was the way Rymer cut it and I decided to go with that too; it was a stronger ending, and it got us outside Galactica, you’ve got action going, and fighters, and you’re sort of--at this point you’re sort of unhinged in terms of where the hell it’s all going, I think. And her sort of reappearance…y’know sure, there were--the true hardcore fans could probably sniff it out, but I think a lot of the audience was shocked when she came up…”
46:38 mark/1:49 remaining:
"And there’s Kara. And this, this idea--when we talked about Maelstrom, this was part and parcel of what Maelstrom was gonna be. We said we’ll kill her here, we’ll take her out of the main title credits for the next few episodes, but then she’s gonna come back at the end and say, y’know, “I’ve found the way to Earth,” and that that fulfilled her destiny. Because I think there were also questions after Maelstrom aired about whether that actually paid off anything, y'know, did her death have any meaning. Well, her death didn’t have any meaning but the resurrection of Kara does.” [emphasis mine]
* * *
Wow, he comes right out and says “resurrection.” It seems to fit with my current theory/preference that she’s back in a corporeal body. (As a cylon or not, though? I'm thinking not, I don't like the idea that she's the last of the final Five, although resurrection could very well apply to both human and cylon.) And shooting her return in a Viper as a ‘protective’ move? Most intriguing. To protect what? My current theory on this one:
Kara walking into Lee’s quarters probably would have pinged our “HeadKara” meters even more than the shiny Viper did, so it seems like Moore might have wanted a kind of reappearance that was less suggestive of a HeadKara or a vision. So she is likely less supernatural than she appears. Good! But then I'd already become pretty sure that she'd be back in a physical body (despite my HeadKara fic), so this might be affecting how I'm evaluating these statements.
What does everyone else think? I'd love to hear other people’s thoughts.