Responses to Comments on a Website
TV Line has an article on the top 20 biggest disappointments on TV in 2011. Not surprisingly, Torchwood: Miracle Day is one of them. Their reason:
The Endless Miracle Day
Too many new faces, too little Captain Jack/Gwen twosome time and a way-too-big plot resulted in a welcome, yes, yet grim and slogging Torchwood mission.
TV's 20 Biggest Disappointments of 2011
I was curious and went through the comments. There were six for Torchwood. The majority of the comments were fighting over whether Supernatural has gone down the drain in season 7 (no comment, as I don't watch the show).
I found this one and just had to respond:
On another note, I didn’t think Torchwood was THAT bad. I personally liked seeing more into Jack’s past, but then again I love that sort of thing…seeing what makes a character the way he was. Mind you there were a few slow scenes, and a couple of things were just…why were they added again, but overall it was a decent season.
But I gotta wonder, what exactly do you mean by Jack/Gwen twosome, fighting or together. Because if you listened to any of the radio plays you know that Jack loved Ianto and wanted him back…just saying.
My response:
I agree that Miracle Day wasn’t that bad … as long as you watched it all in a row. I found it was too fast in spots, and too slow in others. Basically, it needed a better rewrite, or fewer episodes, or something.
Immortal Sins, which was all about Jack’s relationship with Angelo, was my favorite episode, one I can watch over and over on its own. Plus there was minimal new characters, mainly Jack/Gwen/Angelo. Perfect.
I think what they mean is that Jack and Gwen, who are the two main characters from the old series’, didn’t get enough screen time either apart or together in a friendly way. Too much focus on new characters and too many random plot lines resulted in less of what made Torchwood, Torchwood, originally, which is the team dynamics and them all playing off each other; not just bigheaded people who have no idea how Torchwood does things, trying to run the missions.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion that Jack loved Ianto and wanted him back. I consider the books, radio plays, audio books, comic books, whatever not canon. Canon to me is series one and two, Children of the Earth, and Miracle Day. Also, for the amount of time Jack has been alive (100+ years or 2000+ years, depending on how you count), there’s no way he’s going to have only one love. He’ll have many loves over many time periods and many planets. Yes, he may miss Ianto for a period of time, but he will have to move on. It’s the only way he will survive the however many years he has before he turns into the Face of Boe and eventually dies. Plus, with his 51 century values, he’s a lot more fluid and open about the concept of love and marriage and monogamy. Us, as 21 century humans, can’t fit him in our neat little boxes, because he’s not supposed to fit.
And I found this one:
Man, I agree with Torchwood being on this list. I had a blast watching the new series… right up until the last episode. The characters were great as always, even the new ones! There was some really beautiful writing. But the plot was way too big! For something of that scale, it needed more episodes or fewer side stories to resolve correctly. The last fifteen minutes of the last episode left my head spinning. Disagree with the opinion on the team dynamic here, though. Gwen and Jack had plenty of opportunity to work together and they had some of the best moments in the entire season. But they have teammates, and I was glad to see them interacting both together and separately with Rex, Esther and (for a while, anyway) Vera.
My response:
I completely agree with you. Something had to be done about the plot. The worst part is they had written out an overview before writing individual scripts. SOMEONE should have caught the inconsistencies and everything before it got to filming.
Please comment and discuss with me: I love it, and I wasn't comfortable giving out my Twitter account on the public site to be able to discuss further. :)
The Endless Miracle Day
Too many new faces, too little Captain Jack/Gwen twosome time and a way-too-big plot resulted in a welcome, yes, yet grim and slogging Torchwood mission.
TV's 20 Biggest Disappointments of 2011
I was curious and went through the comments. There were six for Torchwood. The majority of the comments were fighting over whether Supernatural has gone down the drain in season 7 (no comment, as I don't watch the show).
I found this one and just had to respond:
On another note, I didn’t think Torchwood was THAT bad. I personally liked seeing more into Jack’s past, but then again I love that sort of thing…seeing what makes a character the way he was. Mind you there were a few slow scenes, and a couple of things were just…why were they added again, but overall it was a decent season.
But I gotta wonder, what exactly do you mean by Jack/Gwen twosome, fighting or together. Because if you listened to any of the radio plays you know that Jack loved Ianto and wanted him back…just saying.
My response:
I agree that Miracle Day wasn’t that bad … as long as you watched it all in a row. I found it was too fast in spots, and too slow in others. Basically, it needed a better rewrite, or fewer episodes, or something.
Immortal Sins, which was all about Jack’s relationship with Angelo, was my favorite episode, one I can watch over and over on its own. Plus there was minimal new characters, mainly Jack/Gwen/Angelo. Perfect.
I think what they mean is that Jack and Gwen, who are the two main characters from the old series’, didn’t get enough screen time either apart or together in a friendly way. Too much focus on new characters and too many random plot lines resulted in less of what made Torchwood, Torchwood, originally, which is the team dynamics and them all playing off each other; not just bigheaded people who have no idea how Torchwood does things, trying to run the missions.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion that Jack loved Ianto and wanted him back. I consider the books, radio plays, audio books, comic books, whatever not canon. Canon to me is series one and two, Children of the Earth, and Miracle Day. Also, for the amount of time Jack has been alive (100+ years or 2000+ years, depending on how you count), there’s no way he’s going to have only one love. He’ll have many loves over many time periods and many planets. Yes, he may miss Ianto for a period of time, but he will have to move on. It’s the only way he will survive the however many years he has before he turns into the Face of Boe and eventually dies. Plus, with his 51 century values, he’s a lot more fluid and open about the concept of love and marriage and monogamy. Us, as 21 century humans, can’t fit him in our neat little boxes, because he’s not supposed to fit.
And I found this one:
Man, I agree with Torchwood being on this list. I had a blast watching the new series… right up until the last episode. The characters were great as always, even the new ones! There was some really beautiful writing. But the plot was way too big! For something of that scale, it needed more episodes or fewer side stories to resolve correctly. The last fifteen minutes of the last episode left my head spinning. Disagree with the opinion on the team dynamic here, though. Gwen and Jack had plenty of opportunity to work together and they had some of the best moments in the entire season. But they have teammates, and I was glad to see them interacting both together and separately with Rex, Esther and (for a while, anyway) Vera.
My response:
I completely agree with you. Something had to be done about the plot. The worst part is they had written out an overview before writing individual scripts. SOMEONE should have caught the inconsistencies and everything before it got to filming.
Please comment and discuss with me: I love it, and I wasn't comfortable giving out my Twitter account on the public site to be able to discuss further. :)