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samwhise June 11 2009, 23:42:55 UTC
This isn't related to your post necessarily, but why is it that you use gender-neutral pronouns for PJ Harvey? I've never heard anything from/about her to suggest she might be uncomfortable with female ones.

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belenen June 12 2009, 04:33:13 UTC
I use gender-neutral pronouns only: http://belenen.livejournal.com/386763.html & more explanation here: http://belenen.livejournal.com/392330.html and a lot more here: http://belenen.livejournal.com/tag/genderfree ;-)

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samwhise June 12 2009, 05:15:49 UTC
Hm. Thanks for the links - I read the posts but I only skimmed the comments, so if I'm starting a conversation you've already covered by all means let me know and I'll go back and reread things.

I really do respect where you're coming from with this, but I think it can get pretty problematic pretty quickly, particularly when you're referring to trans folk. Gender-neutral pronouns are a gaping hole in the English language and I fully support anyone's efforts to use them more frequently, but I think respecting peoples' pronoun preferences should first. I'm a trans guy, as you could probably figure out by reading my profile, and while I agree with a many (not all, but many) of the things you wrote about gender, I'm really uncomfortable with people using gender-neutral pronouns to refer to me. Not because I think of myself as a particularly gendered person - I don't - but because of how hard I've had to fight for people to respect my identity. Which, for the record, is male. Not masculine particularly, but male ( ... )

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belenen June 12 2009, 06:01:08 UTC
I did explain most of this in the second post, but I'll give it another go ( ... )

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samwhise June 12 2009, 15:57:36 UTC
I did read that, but it didn't seem to me to apply for some reason. Sorry about that.

I'm on the fence about this. Like I said before, I really do respect and appreciate where you're coming from - I disagree with the way you're applying it, but I remain interested in reading your journal if that's all right with you.

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