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It's A Symbol Of A Landmine We Can Easily Step On

Nov 02, 2007 19:25

I thought I would address a few comments about my use of Hitlerpope which some took as highly offensive (but others, mostly ex-Catholics, found to be highly funny.) You should know that this icon was created by an Asatruar is an ex-Catholic and who has followed the Pope's background very closely. He's also been called the Panzer Pope and was part ( Read more... )

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fluffyluggage November 3 2007, 00:26:16 UTC

Why would a Pagan, any type of Pagan, hail the same people who have tried throughout all of recent history to destroy his kind? This makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I can tell you if I were ever a part of that group of people, I would walk away the moment I heard those words. You could never convince me no matter what else you said to come back.

Christians have done everything they can to emulate Pagan rituals and twist them and adapt them into their own so as to make Pagans accept Christian rituals instead and turn away from their Pagan rituals, and they have persecuted Pagans throughout the time they came to "power."

I refuse to be a part of a religion where as a child I am told that I will go to hell if I am not "saved" by accepting Jesus into my heart, no matter how much I devote my life to good or God/Goddess. That is terrorism, plain and simple. So long as a sect of Pagans is willing to pander to that, I won't be a part of that sect, either.

*shakes head and walks away*

cartoonmayhem November 3 2007, 01:01:36 UTC

I really did hear that. At a pagan festival I was gathered at in New Joisey. And I never went back. The hostess hailed all of the above while pointing a plastic wand with a purple star on the end of it. *buries head in shame at the memory* I don't know where her head is at but I also meant to add this: In Indianapolis before I became Asatru been at a house of Pagan worship that had Christian protesters outside it and then the house was mysteriously vandalized. The house eventually closed ( ... )

cartoonmayhem November 3 2007, 01:10:24 UTC

Who our enemies are and what they are trying to do this. Damn my dyslexia. Damn it to Hel.

fluffyluggage November 3 2007, 01:21:37 UTC

A plastic wand with a purple star on the end of it... Well, I guess should have been the first clue. *snicker* No, I'm a firm believer, through several horrible life experiences that, especially as a woman (and you may have been privy to some of the info already, not sure), I'm going to fight for myself, and I'm going to stick up for myself. I believe in carrying a gun, if that's what you feel you need to do to protect yourself, and trust me, there are times when it would have saved me from serious harm ( ... )

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theory_of_ruin November 3 2007, 01:32:45 UTC

Ratzinger was never a Nazi. He was inducted into the Hitler Youth at age 14 (mandated by Reich law for all minors after 1939) and refused to attende a single meeting before being further inducted into the Wehrmacht (he lucked out; he could've been drafted by the Waffen-SS) and was assigned to an anti-aircraft battery, which he promptly deserted. His cousin was "euthanized" by the Nazis, as he suffered from Down's syndrome, something which gave him great cause for despising Nazism, as well as the lessons of his devout father and his studies at seminary, both of which taught him that Nazism was incompatible with Catholicism.

I still think he's a piece of shit. And he is an enemy of Ásatrú, as most Christians are and most other faiths are, for that matter. But it does us no good to accuse someone of Nazism when it isn't true, though I do like your icon. To me it demonstrates how dogmatic and intolerant the Vatican often is, much like the Third Reich was.

wyrtweard November 3 2007, 05:05:33 UTC

. . .inducted into the Wehrmacht (he lucked out; he could've been drafted by the Waffen-SS) and was assigned to an anti-aircraft battery, which he promptly deserted. . .

Hmmmm. . .a shirker of duty when his people needed him. . .yet another reason to despise his rotten hide on top of everything else he represents.

svinfylking November 3 2007, 01:58:48 UTC

I have to say I agree on some points but want to make an amend here.

I've seen Jesus Camp and it freaked me out. I've known some particularly aggressive fundies. I live within driving distance of two of those megachurches, and in a highly Republican area. Both me and my SO have fundie family members who have been craptastic to us for being Asatru. So I hear your frustration there ( ... )

nashiitashii November 3 2007, 02:19:04 UTC

I agree with you on many of those points. It's no good to walk around acting like a victim while ignoring those who really mean you harm. There are good people and bad people of all faiths, and it's really a lot more gray than it all seems. Personally, I'm really tired of the zeal behind a lot of these anti-Christian rants; everyone gets tired of people crying wolf after a while.

svinfylking November 3 2007, 02:27:30 UTC

Yeah, it's important to realize that Christianity is not the biggest threat to Asatru. It's we Asatruar, ourselves ( ... )

cartoonmayhem November 3 2007, 02:56:08 UTC

Only 50,000 worldwide? That's all? Are we growing or shrinking or do you think there are just too few being heard? You all brought up a good point. The Unitarian Universalists are definitely exempt. They have been one of the few bastions of acceptance and one of the few churches who hold pagan and heathen events. I've mentioned before that I will attend a UU church if I had to choose a church. I came out of fundie central (very loud tent revivals right in my back yard and mental harassment out the wazoo) and hubby came out of Catholic central (with the reflexive Catholic guilt still there at times) and what I find alarming is the Evangelical churches are the fastest growing churches in the U.S. I watched them gain power during the Reagan administration, I saw them help defeat the Equal Rights Amendment in 1982 and then gloat about it. Phyllis Schlafly being one of the biggest gloaters right behind Jerry Falwell. I also lived in Falwell's back yard when I lived in Maryland. So I ran into more of them in Maryland and Virginia including ( ... )

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And now for something completely irreverent cartoonmayhem November 3 2007, 04:11:06 UTC

I think to be good and devious heathens who promote acceptance for GBLT and handicapable (I have fibromylagia, degenerating disc disorder and arthritis) I want to also be able to laugh at ourselves and the absurdity of extremism ( ... )

Re: And now for something completely irreverent svinfylking November 3 2007, 04:17:56 UTC

O R'LYEH?

Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)

Extremism in any religion is bad, especially in Heathenry when personal responsibility is emphasized.

F'rith. :P

cartoonmayhem November 3 2007, 04:15:21 UTC

Dammit I forgot to mention the community where I am posting "Eric the Canuck" user
I will talk about his start as a neo-nazi hater of Jews and the GBLT and a member of Aryan Nations to a centrist Asatruar who is now focusing on conversing with the Gods and dropping the hate. I will post that tonight if I haven't fallen asleep at the computer.