Christ, I can't believe I'm getting into this.
This is a response to miladyhawke's post: What We Say We Stand For - Viggo/Orli & Domlijah Rant - What the Shit is this!? . I'm posting it here because it got way too fucking long.
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Anyhow, you have some good points in here (esp. because some V/O shippers were originally causing problems), and more and more my general impression is becoming that alot of the mess has to do with misunderstandings and miscommunications.
Some general points for discussion:
Why is it always the one addressing the issue that gets called a shit stirrer? Nobody would feel the need to speak up if everything was alright.There absolutely are bad apples out there, so you're right that everything isn't alright, but the problem people had with the OP is that she wasn't (until much later) talking about the few. You're right that she didn't create the larger issues, but I said that her post was making it worse by blaming all V/O believers. She said that ALL V/O believers are self-hating, psychotic ( ... )
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The problem I have is that I don't understand this belief issue. Your reply here has clarified the point for me even further, I'm not sure whether you realise the extent to which this word keeps appearing. For me, this is what it all boils down to, and I wrote a little about this on my blog. Why do you think people do it? Where does V/O belief come from? You said that you "personally believe that the things that drive their beliefs come from the most ( ... )
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I'd love to come over, but it's almost three in the morning where I am now, and I need to go to bed. If you don't mind, I could come over tomorrow evening after work.
Btw, you're a sweetheart; I can't see anybody anywhere jumping on you. It is still a scary issue to get involved with though.
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And re being jumped? Don't you believe it. I've been involved with a couple of different altercations upon one particular ViggOrli BNF's journal, and it was without doubt the worst experiences I've had online. I actually promised both the general ViggOrli community and myself that I would never get involved with that circle ever again in an attempt at peace and coexistence. This seems like enough of a fandom-wide discussion that I can hopefully be excused for expressing my views, however.
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I can't entirely fault everybody for not getting involved with this though because these things have a way of getting ugly, and it does drain one's stamina. Gah. Don’t remind me. Been there, done that. I’m just saying that there are places that make me sick to the stomach listening to the hate-speech, and no one says a word. But it can be avoided by just not venturing there, it’s harder to escape the casual comments thrown around all over LJ. I only say things when something seriously pisses me off; choose your battles and all that. It is not worth it when the only thing you succeed in is the perpetrator feeling as a victim because you dare to criticise her behaviour ( ... )
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Basically, I have to say first that what I liked here about your attitude and your opinions is that you’re not seeing everything as black and white the way many people do. And as you said, these issues are quite complicated (over-simplification is one of the horrors of this kerfluffle), and you seem to have a very balanced and fair perspective.
There is one point that you brought up though that was actually the subject of my entire post at Missiedith’s blog, the Beautiful Dreamers response. I have a feeling that anyone other than yourself who sees it is going to give me all kinds of grief and mock mercilessly, but what can I say. I’m a hopelessly romantic sap. I’m happy that way.
The point is this:
I do think it's mostly the truly rabid Orlando fangirls who ( ... )
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