Christ, I can't believe I'm getting into this.

[acari]

This is a response to miladyhawke's post: What We Say We Stand For - Viggo/Orli & Domlijah Rant - What the Shit is this!? . I'm posting it here because it got way too fucking long.

Comments

[missiedith]

Ok, I'm asking you because of all the opposition to the OP yours seems to be the most reasonable and direct response, and I'm asking you here because it feels a helluva lot safer than anywhere else. From where I'm sitting the other respondents just seem to have jumped on an idea of what it was about. Misunderstanding and miscommunication abounds, as you mentioned. Whilst I don't fundamentally agree with your position, I can certainly respect your behaviour and the points you have made. I'm not sure I could have conducted myself as admirably were I challenged on various of my viewpoints.

The problem I have is that I don't understand this belief issue. Your reply here has clarified the point for me even further, I'm not sure whether you realise the extent to which this word keeps appearing. For me, this is what it all boils down to, and I wrote a little about this on my blog. Why do you think people do it? Where does V/O belief come from? You said that you "personally believe that the things that drive their beliefs come from the most noble places in the human heart." I was hoping you could expand on that, or if you know of an unintimidating and coherently rational believer that is unlikely to jump on me, if they could explain it. As I said, I really don't understand. I know it's possible I never will, but seeing as it's causing so much strife I feel I should at least try.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but I genuinely am curious. I'm not asking you to show me clips, photos or interviews to try to convince me how easy it is to draw the V/O conclusion, I'm asking you to explain the personal level of why so many believe.

Whilst I find the OP's explanation that Kate-bashing stems from a kind of projected self-loathing to be a little too extreme to be considered fully credible, the suggestion that Viggo and Orlando are seen as too perfect to be with anybody but each other does seem to be worth a little extra thought. And that worries me, as it seems to be more about deification than woman-hating.

[miladyhawke]

OMG, I think I love you. I'm ridiculously delighted that somebody actually wants to get a take on what V/O believers think about themselves, what they think predisposes them to this belief (aside from the conspiracy evidence). And I would love to do it; I can tell already that it's going to be fun and make me happy, reminding me why I love the pairings I do. And yep, belief is a key word. I'm not a true believer, but like the UFO poster behind Fox Mulder's desk says, I want to believe.

I'd love to come over, but it's almost three in the morning where I am now, and I need to go to bed. If you don't mind, I could come over tomorrow evening after work.

Btw, you're a sweetheart; I can't see anybody anywhere jumping on you. It is still a scary issue to get involved with though.

[missiedith]

Go sleep. I know well the perils of developing odd sleep patterns. Looking forward to reading when you're fresh and rested.

And re being jumped? Don't you believe it. I've been involved with a couple of different altercations upon one particular ViggOrli BNF's journal, and it was without doubt the worst experiences I've had online. I actually promised both the general ViggOrli community and myself that I would never get involved with that circle ever again in an attempt at peace and coexistence. This seems like enough of a fandom-wide discussion that I can hopefully be excused for expressing my views, however.