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[29pixie]

WOOH! The work week is over! I'm excited because I made a ton of money in five days, and I'm feeling rather impressed with myself. Mary (emily's mom) told me how wonderful she feels knowing I'm home with Emily, and leaving her with me. She said it's been so hard to find someone she feels so comfortable with and that Emily really likes. That made me

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[29pixie]

yeah, i understand your point, and it is easy to argue such a point. BUT, civil unions are not universal in every state (aka stupid colorado that hardly has such an institution for gay couples cause we're run by republicans), and some more liberal religions are in support of gay marriage while other religions consider marriage actually a secular ceremony.

People get married for the most ridiculous of reasons, like to become a citizen, or get out of a housing contract (long story about U of I), or circumstances force them to even if they don't love one another (shotgun wedding, shotgun wedding!) and frankly if a heterosexual couple can get married for a lame ass reason like that, then a homosexual couple should be able to for their more legitimate valid reasons that they want their love, family, and connection to be recognized and validated in the same way that all of their heterosexual friends' relationships are. In texas all you have to do is introduce a woman as your wife three times in public, and she is legally your wife! How easy is that?

Don't take this as me being argumentative (i just feel particularly passionate about this subject), or trying to crush your argument, because yeah, no catholic homosexual has any buisness being married if he really believes all that homosexual sin hooplah (that is HARDLY biblically supported), but how many gays are really catholic anymore these days? It is a religious institution, but only to some.
Catholics look at it as a sacrament where the holy spirit comes down to actually be present in the union. Protestant religions on the other hand, do not believe it's a sacrament (they leave that to communion and baptism), and some seperate it from the church entirely, considering it a secular community bond. So even among many Christians, marriage has been a secular, and not religious, bond for over 400 years.

Historically it can be called a religious institution as it began as one in biblical times. But what of those that do not follow our bible? Anthropologically marriage is universal cross culturally in other societies that are not Jewish or Christian. Though often, it is by NO means always tied to the culture's religion. So yeah, it is a religious bond, but that only applies to a some people who follow some religions. Marriage however is universal, even among nonreligious American atheists or Yanomamo tribesmen.

Sorry, i think my more personal bias should be revealed now. I have a gay couple (or two actually) in my family that want to be married but legally can't, and have been together for many years. One couple has two kids, my cousins, and it frustrates me that these AMAZING moms and people are denied something any blockhead looking to get out of a U of I housing contract could pick up in Las Vegas.

that's pry more like 3 cents... but i hope my points make a little sense/cents... what? haha. Also, i haven't seen you LJ lately, please update so my friend's page is more fun to read!

[treatyoself]

I think you win this one simply for using the word "anthropologically." There's no way I can compete with that. :)

[29pixie]

HAHA thanks. HAHHA. i miss you.

[samwise719]

Although I usually refrain from discussing religious views (as I like to avoid confrontation at all costs and religious discussions definitely lead to confrontation), I think it is worth looking at the Bible passages that "support" homosexuality as a sin. As you said, they hardly do. The most cited one, Sodom and Gommorah, can be interpreted as saying that it is inhospitality that is the sin, NOT homosexuality.
Also...when arguing that the Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin, I think it is important to remember that the Bible was also used as one of the most supportive aspects of the slave institution in early America. Find me someone decent who still believes in THAT justification and then I'll stop insisting that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality.
And finally, I think we could all learn a valuable lesson from a commercial I saw today supporting gay marraige: "Commitment is commitment." Well put.
(Also...apparently I have been participating in my online class discussion too much, as I can tell that this comment definitely resembles my anthropgology class discussion format...oops...)

[29pixie]

Yeah, not to mention the fact that the word translated "fornication" understood to be homosexuality is "pornea" in the greek, which also is the word for "prostitution."