Ghosts Of The Abyss: Chapter 22

[zelda_queen]

ZeldaQueen: Hello everyone, back to the Sporking Chamber! Link demanded a break, so it's just me today. So yeah, stuff actually happens here, sort of. Oh, and Calypso's an evil bitch. If you forgot, Gethesemane is more than happy to remind you

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[queenie315]

You know I can't remember the second movie very well, but I always like Pirates of the Caribean for having relatively strong, complex, and eccentric female characters. This chick completely takes it away for her sue.

[zelda_queen]

Everyone in POTC had to be strong and most were eccentric. But yes, the female characters, from the pirates to the hookers, were all very strong. In fact, during the big fight in the third movie, Davy Jones outright tells Elizabeth that he won't go easy on her because she's a girl (and uses the pirate slang for "bitch" in the process) and Elizabeth draws two swords and says that she's prepared for that.

In this though, Kate is completely reduced to the most basic traditional female role. Overly emotional, dependent on her husband and lover, wanting nothing more than a baby and to play happy home? Yeah.

[star_dragon5]

What's "bitch" in Piratese again? It's been a while since I watched the movie.

[zelda_queen]

He calls her a "haridan", which I guess doesn't *quite* mean bitch. Webster's Dictionary has it as:

"HARRIDAN. A hagged old woman; a miserable, scraggy,
worn-out harlot, fit to take her bawd's degree: derived
from the French word HARIDELLE, a worn-out jade of a horse or mare."

She closer to say he called her a whore, I guess. Or a hag. Either way, nothing pleasant.

[zelda_queen]

O_o I just looked it up. Dear lord, that's disturbing!

You're right. It's the same with Sirena "Let Your Child On Deck During A Storm" Monroe. Either have a nice, safe life, your recognize that your kid will constantly be in danger!

[zelda_queen]

Lord. -_-

I've tried to see if there were any real-life examples of pirates raising children on their ships, but have found none. Pretty much all of the examples go that the children are raised in towns by whatever parent was not a pirate. You know, like Will's canon backstory.

[arynia]

Gethsemane...did you really expect us to feel pity for Kate? This scene could have been sad if it wasn't for the fact that you (a are a bad writer and b) the reason why the baby died was that Kate was too stupid to take steps to take care of it. Even if Calypso hadn't attacked, it wouldn't have survived long anyway, considering that she's the reincarnation of Miss 'I'll let my child on a ship when I know there's a sea goddess after me'.

Also, considering how female pirates acted in real life, it's safe to say that Kate's fainting flower act wouldn't get her very far. Look at Mary Read and Anne Bonny - they certainly didn't sit around waiting for their Man to sort things out for them. Even in the movies, Elizabeth is just as tough as the boys, so I don't see how Gethsemane could see Kate as the perfect pirate lady when she's got Elizabeth as competition.

[morri_delrae]

Look at Mary Read and Anne Bonny - they certainly didn't sit around waiting for their Man to sort things out for them.

Definitely not. There are some records containing testimonies of their victims - merchants ambushed by the pirates. One of them said that it was only possible to tell the two women from the men, because she could see a faint outline of breasts underneath their shirts. Thomans Dillow added that both women behaved "improperly": they talked loud, they swore profusely and were happy to do all kind of work around the ship.

[zelda_queen]

"Also, considering how female pirates acted in real life, it's safe to say that Kate's fainting flower act wouldn't get her very far."

It most certainly would not! Pirates were a bunch of freaking cutthroats! Chances are if Kate was like that around real pirates, they'd mutiny, tie her up, have their way with her, and toss her on the nearest desert island.

"Even in the movies, Elizabeth is just as tough as the boys, so I don't see how Gethsemane could see Kate as the perfect pirate lady when she's got Elizabeth as competition."

Gethesemane sees Kate as competition because Elizabeth's supposedly annoying and because Keira Knightly's a "poser" pirate. I'm dead serious, she's said those things.

[funkyrain34]

Oh my god. Oh, god.
Gethesemane, darling, if you wanted your self insert to have a kid, go onto the Flying Dutchman. Seriously.
Oh, and like other posters mentioned above, pirates were cutthroats. Most pirates in real life would've used the kid/pregnancy in order to avoid getting hung, and then if they escaped the hanging, would've given the kid to some other person.

[zelda_queen]

No, it's pretty clear the kid was just a plot device to demonize Calypso and justify Kate torturing her. -_- Gethesemane even outright admitted that she'd be replacing the kid in a sequel series to this (which thankfully was never made).

And you're right about how pirates treated pregnancies. Shame Gethesemane is stuck in Victorian London in all of her fics. >_<

[funkyrain34]

If Gethesemane made a sequel series, I might've have hunted her down. Maybe. And why Victorian London? Gethesemane, if by some rare chance you read this, there are other settings, like the...Students Rebellion of...no, I take that back! She will not defile Les Mis!

[zelda_queen]

Trust me, you don't want her to read this. She has sent her fanbrats to flame people who have criticized her work.

Well, it's more "Victorian London", in the sense that she has a lot of cliches, yet continues to get things wrong. For example, in her one Sweeney Todd fic, she has a lot of people in the 1800s call for Sweeney to publicly kiss the Sue, as well as fills the Sue's Angsty Backstory Quota by having her mommy be a prostitute...who the upper-class Judge Turpin marries.

And don't tempt her. I think Les Miserable is one of the stories she likes. The last thing we need is one of her parasitic Sues infecting that fandom. -_-

[zelda_queen]

Well...in her Sweeney Todd fanfiction, the Judge "romances" Lucy and adopts Joanna like in canon, but then decides that her mother is a fine, respectable lady, in spite of the fact that she's a flipping *prostitute* and that he needs a wife to give him an heir and thus he shall marry her. She points out that high society would hardly smile on that (and oh how sad it is when the Mary Sues are pointing out how implausible the plot is), and he basically says "Meh, they'll get over it". And they DO.