Okay, first off, is it just me, or does it seem like Nora only reacts to things a few lines after they happen in her conversation with Scott? The pace just seems really off to me, and it's making me think Nora can't keep up with the conversation because her brain keeps overheating.
Second of all, hi, Fitzpatrick, I'm a girl who's on the heavy side. Everyone in my family is. I'm not always on a diet, but I do try to make good food choices. I don't eat fast food or snack between meals, and I'm uncomfortable eating at all in front of people because of the heavy girl = pig stereotype. So thanks a lot for reinforcing it.
Finally, the thing with the ring seems kind of ham-handed and dumb, but if it's actually a sign of plot, I'll take it, because this book has been really pointless thus far.
I agree. I'm always paranoid about even eating candy in public because I am heavy and I feel like people stare.
I don't eat well and I don't exercise much which are both bad choices I know but I don't eat that much. I actually eat very little overall and get full easily. I do enjoy eating constantly but only small amounts and that whole big girl = pig thing is not only stupid but outdated. It's from a time where the only way people could be fat was to eat constantly and that just isn't true anymore.
So... since when did guys not like redheads? I mean, sure, everyone's tastes are different, but I've never heard of any hair color being deemed universally unattractive or anything. Heck, reddish brown hair sounds pretty cute.
Yeah, all sympathy for Scott's gone out the window. When do we find out he murdered someone? Like I've said before, EVERY guy in this series seems to be a murderer.
I'm operating under the assumption that this is some kind of alternate universe where everywhere is crime-ridden and everyone is dumb, but pool halls are the height of sleaze because fallen angels are drawn to them.
I always thought redheads was a positive for men (redhead males are a giant plus for me, I think redheads are hot). I mean it's a damn trope "Heroes Want Redheads." And I love redish brown (or auburn) hair in my heroines because I find it such an attractive shade of hair.
She seems to be under the impression that OCD means "someone who has organized bookshelves", like most uninformed people, and is not aware that it is kind of a disease.
Icon for the chapter in question, of course. ladyhadhafangAugust 4 2012, 21:37:26 UTC
Not to mention that Miss Nora Drew here has done nothing but badger people about their private business, which has been shown as her being a buding detective. Yet when Marcie does it, it's annoying. Interesting.
Seriously, in between that and the other dissing on Marcie, I'm starting to wonder if Nora's suffering from a severe case of Protagonist Centered Morality. (Oh, who am I kidding? Of course she is. :/)
Ugh, sorry. Nora's just...I really don't like Nora right now. Seriously. :/
Re: Icon for the chapter in question, of course. zelda_queenAugust 6 2012, 01:21:04 UTC
"Ugh, sorry. Nora's just...I really don't like Nora right now. Seriously. :/"
Did you ever like Nora? :P
In seriousness, don't worry about it. I think everyone here is agreeing with you. Nora is desperately reaching to beat Bella Swan for the title of "Most useless bitch of a heroine ever".
Re: Icon for the chapter in question, of course. ladyhadhafangAugust 6 2012, 01:57:40 UTC
Well, that's good to know. *sighs* Seriously though, why can't we focus on the Nephilim instead? At least these guys I can feel sympathy for. Seriously.
Every line of dialogue is plastic and fake. No one talks like this. No one reacts like Nora does or thinks like she does. No reasonable human being displays any of the behavior these characters do. Even if they weren't all horrible, horrible people that should go immediately die in all the fires, I'd think that any publisher would take one look at the character interactions and throw this in the bin where it belongs. I've seen more scintillating dialogue and reasonable reactions on an episode of Spongebob.
It would be one thing if this whole book was a commentary on Nora's behavior, in which case it would be delightfully meta, but Fitzpatrick has proven time and time again that she does not possess the self-awareness, subtlety, or writing skill to pull off post-modernism like that.
Jesus. It's like she took the "bad boy" conceit and ran with it without bothering to figure out what the actual point of the bad boy trope is: the "I can change him
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"No, Fitzpatrick seems to have put two and two together and gotten five and decided that bad boys are popular because they kill/hurt people, and that's what every teenage girl is searching for in a boyfriend." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia
I really do think part of the "bad boy" appeal for some people is just how horrible they are to everyone else, so the love interest is so special because he treats her semi-hemi-demi-reasonably. So... sad to say, I think Fitzpatrick has it right on target, the same way SMeyer got it right on target.
Not that it makes the book any better - for me, that makes it even worse - but still.
Bad boy can be done well in a fantasy, even an over the top bad boy fantasy. You just need to be sure you sell it as a FANTASY. I love romance and I love over the top bad boy lead but only when it's presented as a sexy fantasy. My issue with these books isn't just that their leads are awful but that they're presented as IDEAL. It's worse with Edward but it's here too. These are the IDEAL men and not just men who can be sexy or your ideal. That's the issue with me. I can accept the rest if it wasn't also served with this large steaming pile of "Your ideas are wrong and mine are right."
Must write YA novel featuring husky female protagonist with an active love/sex life because she's funny and smart. Or at least funny best friend, you know, like Fitzpatrick probably intended Vee to be? I'm a little wary of that, since fat chick jokes and funny friend often go hand in hand, but it's gotta be better than this, right?
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Second of all, hi, Fitzpatrick, I'm a girl who's on the heavy side. Everyone in my family is. I'm not always on a diet, but I do try to make good food choices. I don't eat fast food or snack between meals, and I'm uncomfortable eating at all in front of people because of the heavy girl = pig stereotype. So thanks a lot for reinforcing it.
Finally, the thing with the ring seems kind of ham-handed and dumb, but if it's actually a sign of plot, I'll take it, because this book has been really pointless thus far.
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I don't eat well and I don't exercise much which are both bad choices I know but I don't eat that much. I actually eat very little overall and get full easily. I do enjoy eating constantly but only small amounts and that whole big girl = pig thing is not only stupid but outdated. It's from a time where the only way people could be fat was to eat constantly and that just isn't true anymore.
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Yeah, all sympathy for Scott's gone out the window. When do we find out he murdered someone? Like I've said before, EVERY guy in this series seems to be a murderer.
I'm operating under the assumption that this is some kind of alternate universe where everywhere is crime-ridden and everyone is dumb, but pool halls are the height of sleaze because fallen angels are drawn to them.
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(Though logically, considering how Marcie is supposed to be sex on legs her being a redhead should PROVE it's a plus but whatever.)
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Not to mention that Miss Nora Drew here has done nothing but badger people about their private business, which has been shown as her being a buding detective. Yet when Marcie does it, it's annoying. Interesting.
Seriously, in between that and the other dissing on Marcie, I'm starting to wonder if Nora's suffering from a severe case of Protagonist Centered Morality. (Oh, who am I kidding? Of course she is. :/)
Ugh, sorry. Nora's just...I really don't like Nora right now. Seriously. :/
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Did you ever like Nora? :P
In seriousness, don't worry about it. I think everyone here is agreeing with you. Nora is desperately reaching to beat Bella Swan for the title of "Most useless bitch of a heroine ever".
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HOW DID THIS GET PUBLISHED.
No, that's not a question. It's a statement.
Every line of dialogue is plastic and fake. No one talks like this. No one reacts like Nora does or thinks like she does. No reasonable human being displays any of the behavior these characters do. Even if they weren't all horrible, horrible people that should go immediately die in all the fires, I'd think that any publisher would take one look at the character interactions and throw this in the bin where it belongs. I've seen more scintillating dialogue and reasonable reactions on an episode of Spongebob.
It would be one thing if this whole book was a commentary on Nora's behavior, in which case it would be delightfully meta, but Fitzpatrick has proven time and time again that she does not possess the self-awareness, subtlety, or writing skill to pull off post-modernism like that.
Jesus. It's like she took the "bad boy" conceit and ran with it without bothering to figure out what the actual point of the bad boy trope is: the "I can change him ( ... )
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia
I really do think part of the "bad boy" appeal for some people is just how horrible they are to everyone else, so the love interest is so special because he treats her semi-hemi-demi-reasonably. So... sad to say, I think Fitzpatrick has it right on target, the same way SMeyer got it right on target.
Not that it makes the book any better - for me, that makes it even worse - but still.
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