Thirty Second Night [Voice]

May 03, 2009 21:47

One of the books I acquired recently has a rather excellent series of questions in it...I pose them all to you.

What does God want? Does God wants goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a man who chooses the bad perhaps in some way better than a man who has had good imposed upon him?

Deep and hard questions, Discedo...What is your take on it?

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angelic_lawyer May 4 2009, 03:02:25 UTC
[...] Adam and Eve were presented with the choice of obeying God and not eating from the Tree of All Knowledge. He wanted them to obey His wishes and to refrain from eating because it was His word. However, with the Serpent's words Eve and then Adam ate from the Tree of All Knowledge and in response, He cast them from the Garden of Eden.

It's a difficult question. The story of Adam and Eve presents arguments for both cases; I would lean towards the idea that He prefers the choice of goodness - otherwise we wouldn't have been created with free will.

In the end, however, I don't think the manner in which one does good matters. Those who sin, regardless of the reason and unless they seek redemption and forgiveness, will go to Hell.

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zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:09:49 UTC
Hm, this is far more than I was expecting, really. I do believe you are correct, though. If He had really wanted forced goodness, humans wouldn't have that pesky free will.

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-the All from the Tree name /fails angelic_lawyer May 6 2009, 04:12:27 UTC
Is that so?

I'm not sure I'd describe it as 'pesky', though.

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CLOSE ENOUGH! zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:19:20 UTC
Yes, I think so, at least. I have read most of the world's religious texts and one important thing is the essence of free will.

It can be quite irritating at times.

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grandcrossed May 4 2009, 05:46:36 UTC
The one who has the good imposed upon him may not have any real grounds to claim superiority, but that hardly makes choosing the bad in any way better.

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zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:10:39 UTC
The one who had it forced upon them has no choice in the matter...I don't really think a just God would want one of its creations being forced into anything.

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[voice ] sing_nonomori May 4 2009, 06:13:03 UTC
What god? There are so many. All want different thing.

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[voice ] zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:11:23 UTC
In this case, it's the Christian God. You may pick whichever one you like; it would be most entertaining to see the response.

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[audio] inner_sitter May 4 2009, 09:12:18 UTC
In my experience gods want what's best for themselves.

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[audio] zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:12:15 UTC
*laughter* I think yours is the best answer.

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[audio] inner_sitter May 6 2009, 07:53:37 UTC
It's the correct one.

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[audio] zawarudo May 6 2009, 08:25:19 UTC
Do you say that because it happens to be your own answer?

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seals_fate May 4 2009, 11:36:51 UTC
...Assuming God exists in the first place.

The one which is bad and the one being imposed upon probably aren't different from each other...one is just being controlled while the other isn't. That's probably not their choice though.

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zawarudo May 6 2009, 04:13:19 UTC
I say nothing one way or the other.

It's the choice that matters. Freewill and all that.

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