To bed with you: hospitalizations in SPN redux

Jul 23, 2010 12:58

In the course of looking up an older post I came across what I wrote last year about hospitalizations in SPN. I realized there had been an important change in S5, namely that Sam has finally been a patient. But I think Sam Interrupted ends up revealing a more audience-directed reason for the pattern.( Read more... )

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nong_pradu July 24 2010, 03:35:44 UTC
These are some really insightful observations ( ... )

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nong_pradu July 24 2010, 03:35:58 UTC
And the physicality of both brothers changes in a way that really reflects this (especially with Jared seeming to get bigger and bigger as he becomes a giant man-wall of muscle! lol). Sam gets stronger and angrier on the show as he falls further into Ruby's trap, especially with the demon blood helping him along. Whereas Dean, poor non-superpowered human that he is, kind of gets the crap kicked out of him while trying to keep up with all the badass MOFOs [here's a tangent for you -- why is it MOFO instead of MOFU? There's no "u" in "fucker"] piling up in the form of angels and demons around him ( ... )

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yourlibrarian July 24 2010, 22:17:15 UTC
I have to disagree with your premise. I think that both Sam and Dean each have a firm ideas of right and wrong, but their notions of morality differ. It's more that Dean is a traditionalist and Sam a modernist when it comes to their definitions, but throughout the series both tend to sway towards and away from one another's approaches. For example here:

Dean, on the other hand, has never really wavered. If it's evil he kills it. His job is clear, and he doesn't really veer from that -- ever. Actually, in Bloodlust Dean comes to see that his absolutist code is actually a bit skewed -- that they do not simply hunt the supernatural but evil things that hurt humans. Sam though, as you point out, is definitely more easily swayed to the idea that the ends may justify the means, or "big picture" thinking. However, we see in 5.20 that Dean can sometimes mimic Sam's behavior exactly with no real justification in his own example of "big picture" thinking. The real question is are the two of them learning from their experiences in not ( ... )

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bowtrunckle July 24 2010, 04:57:16 UTC
Oh, yikes, meta! :D

Sam's lack of hospitalization could be seen as the parallel to Dean's lack of possession, which I speculated was occurring because it hit each character's strength

Nice observation. I agree, and I'd like to expand on that thought. I think, too, that in S1/S2 Sam was so much under the care of big brother Dean (the headaches, the nightmares, the "save me or kill me" angst/begging) that hospitalizing Sam and showing it'll-all-be-okay-I-gotcha!Dean at his bedside wouldn't have been a great departure from what had already been established: Dean takes care of vulnerable!Sam. Sure it would've notched up the hurt!Sam vibe, but from a storytelling perspective, no new characterization/revelations would've been made. And economy doesn't really jive with such redundancies.

On the other hand, showing Dean be vulnerable in S1/S2 was new. Case in point "Faith". That was a seminal episode at that point in the series. It was the first time we really saw Dean hurt for a prolonged period of time. It was the first time we ( ... )

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yourlibrarian July 25 2010, 19:08:15 UTC
Sure it would've notched up the hurt!Sam vibe, but from a storytelling perspective, no new characterization/revelations would've been made...Possessed Sam allowed SPN to show Sam being not!Sam that wouldn't have been possible any other way based on his characterization those seasons.

I agree, it would have been more of the same in the first case and a form of "dream sequence" Sam in the second. In fact, I'd argue we got some of that in S5 with Dean in The End, though I felt that the portrayal wasn't so difficult to believe. Also, although not exactly "possessed" we saw the same with Dean in Yellow Fever, an episode a lot of people hated (though I'd argue the writing as much as the concept accounted for that). And then, of course, we saw a different Dean in TL as well. So while strictly speaking Dean has never been possessed, the same storytelling device has indeed been used on him.

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blacklid July 24 2010, 15:32:43 UTC
This is a great post. I think I'd have to go back and read the suppositions in order to understand all the points you are summarizing here.

I agree overall with ariadnes_string on the point that, "Sam's lack of hospitalization could be seen as the parallel to Dean's lack of possession". This is indicative to me of Sam's superior ability to keep his physicality his own and Dean's superior ability to keep his mind as his own. There are many examples in different episodes of how weakness in the mind can make one susceptible to threats in the physical realm, beginning in Phantom Traveler with Sam warning Dean about fear. That emphasis on mastery of mind over matter has been there in ever increasing capacities throughout the seasons as it made itself known as the key element of the story.

In my opinion, Sam, Interrupted was the culmination of that theme and it illuminated nicely how Sam's and Dean's existing strengths and weaknesses would dictate how the final battle would play out against Lucifer in the last half of the season. What ( ... )

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yourlibrarian July 25 2010, 19:15:17 UTC
This is indicative to me of Sam's superior ability to keep his physicality his own and Dean's superior ability to keep his mind as his own. There are many examples in different episodes of how weakness in the mind can make one susceptible to threats in the physical realm, beginning in Phantom Traveler with Sam warning Dean about fear.

What a great point. And yes, that could be true about the physicality, particularly if we consider Sam's immunity in Croatoan, although he was made vulnerable by the psychic visions and did not take easily to his powers unlike the other YED kids.

it illuminated nicely how Sam's and Dean's existing strengths and weaknesses would dictate how the final battle would play out against Lucifer in the last half of the season.

Yes, Sam had to conquer his anger and Dean had to allow the responsibility to go to the person he least wanted to put it on.

Which victory comes (or should come) first - the outer world or the inner one? Are the capabilities of the soul and mind more important than what the body can ( ... )

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