[hey the backroom of cafes are for sedition not sex!]
I'm not saying anything against Leela! I like her! I think she's quite classy. You providing the romantic location of the interior of your car is not. You see the difference here?
Warren, I like you a lot, but please reflect back on a lack of classy behavior on your part, as it pertains to Pepper.
Pepper is extremely upset and I'm upset that's she's upset and it's all just a big mass of upset that is really unpleasant and which I feel could have been avoided.
Re: permaPrivatemoneybagsiiiJune 13 2010, 22:12:34 UTC
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I've been completely respectful of Pepper this entire time. I'm not happy that it didn't work out but I gave it my best shot. I'm sorry she's upset but I really don't see how I'm at fault here.
All it means is that I got the impression that you didn't understand that she wasn't interested and that relationships always have to be a mutually desired... what's the word, rapport between two equals. I think she's upset because she had to spell it out to you.
Look, I'm not saying that you are the source of all evil and I'm going to rig buckets of holy water on the doors of the office or anything, it's just that I don't think that you have been respectful of Pepper this whole time. She's not someone who is really into romance at all, let alone casual sex or polyamorous relationships. I mean, I found that that was pretty clear after knowing her for ten minutes. I'm also not saying that you forced her or anything, just that you didn't handle this as well as you could have and I'm really upset at how upset she is.
Jesus Christ, Courfeyrac. Give me some fucking credit, will you? I can tell when a woman's not interested. I knew Pepper was having some trouble getting used to the idea so I let her set the pace. I took her out a few times. That's it. You really think I would push a girl into a full-blown relationship?
That's one of the reasons I was so upset! Pepper's not the sort of person to want to set a pace at all, because she wouldn't want to be in the race or whatever metaphor we have of dating.
And no, I don't think you were pushing her into a full-blown relationship, but I think you were trying to push her into a something when she didn't want anything at all.
Look Warren, I like you. I think you're a great guy, I just think that you didn't handle this situation as well as you could have.
She had plenty of opportunities to say something before this. She didn't have to go out to dinner with me, for chrissake. If she wasn't happy with the arrangement, she could have told me. I never actedin a manner that would imply I would hurt her or anyone if she left. I didn't pressure or coerce her into doing anything, Courfeyrac. I just put it on the table. I mean, fuck, if you think I would do something like that you've got no business calling yourself my friend.
[Warren has loads of issues with sexual misbehavior and especially anything that could be construed as harassment or coercion jsyk]
Jesus Christ Warren, I didn't mean that I assumed you were stalking one of my best friends or anything! I don't think you're a dangerous rapist, or going to hurt her if she refuses or anything of the sort. You are, at the heart of it, a really nice guy and a really good friend. All I am saying is that it seems fairly clear, at least to me, that you should not have pursued her, and that she felt pressured for something she didn't want and furthermore, wouldn't enjoy.
That's all. There's a distinction between, 'hey man, that was not a classy way to treat my BFF' and 'you are a skeevy pervert who is trying to sexually assault someone close to me'.
[Courfeyrac has no idea, he's just really damn pissed that Pepper was near tears]
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I'm not saying anything against Leela! I like her! I think she's quite classy. You providing the romantic location of the interior of your car is not. You see the difference here?
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[Courfeyrac is trying to get a rise out of Warren because he is genuinely upset on Pepper's behalf]
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Pepper is extremely upset and I'm upset that's she's upset and it's all just a big mass of upset that is really unpleasant and which I feel could have been avoided.
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Look, I'm not saying that you are the source of all evil and I'm going to rig buckets of holy water on the doors of the office or anything, it's just that I don't think that you have been respectful of Pepper this whole time. She's not someone who is really into romance at all, let alone casual sex or polyamorous relationships. I mean, I found that that was pretty clear after knowing her for ten minutes. I'm also not saying that you forced her or anything, just that you didn't handle this as well as you could have and I'm really upset at how upset she is.
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And no, I don't think you were pushing her into a full-blown relationship, but I think you were trying to push her into a something when she didn't want anything at all.
Look Warren, I like you. I think you're a great guy, I just think that you didn't handle this situation as well as you could have.
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[Warren has loads of issues with sexual misbehavior and especially anything that could be construed as harassment or coercion jsyk]
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That's all. There's a distinction between, 'hey man, that was not a classy way to treat my BFF' and 'you are a skeevy pervert who is trying to sexually assault someone close to me'.
[Courfeyrac has no idea, he's just really damn pissed that Pepper was near tears]
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