- I like the way all Mulder's thoughts at the beginning of the fic are further addressed by Scully's thoughts at the end of the fic.
Nice observation. I'll have to go look for that.
- I like that they have these unspoken arrangements, that Scully can sleep in Mulder's bed and pretend it's nothing so long as Mulder pretends he doesn't ever use the bed himself. And that Scully has been essentially hiding her collection of living essentials under his bathroom sink.
I'm not sure I do like that, or what is more to the point, I'm not sure I believe it. I guess it's supposed to be a sign of increasing intimacy except it isn't really because she has to pretend and he has to pretend and it all feels like a lot of work for very little reward. They don't have to be alone, I guess. But it's a far cry from real intimacy, that's for sure. I'd almost rather they didn't bother. Khyber's Mulder and Scully seem even more messed up than canon Mulder and Scully. It makes me sad.
- I like Mulder's resentment of Scully's apartment. When you think about
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I'm not sure I do like that, or what is more to the point, I'm not sure I believe it. I guess it's supposed to be a sign of increasing intimacy except it isn't really because she has to pretend and he has to pretend and it all feels like a lot of work for very little reward.
That's interesting. Even in canon I can absolutely see them having these unspoken checks and balances between them. In fact, I find the bit about Scully and Mulder both pretending he doesn't sleep in the bed a very excellent bit of characterization all around. I think our disagreement on this issue makes an interesting case for how people see intimacy very differently. As I see it, in a strange way the pretending and the self-denial and all of that is what makes it so intimate. It's also what keeps them exhausted and apart, for now, but the thing is, they're putting in this effort. Their consideration for each other and their care in tending to their relationship is evidenced by how much work they're both putting into not fucking it up. They've been through so
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That's interesting. Even in canon I can absolutely see them having these unspoken checks and balances between them. In fact, I find the bit about Scully and Mulder both pretending he doesn't sleep in the bed a very excellent bit of characterization all around. I think our disagreement on this issue makes an interesting case for how people see intimacy very differently. As I see it, in a strange way the pretending and the self-denial and all of that is what makes it so intimate. It's also what keeps them exhausted and apart, for now, but the thing is, they're putting in this effort. Their consideration for each other and their care in tending to their relationship is evidenced by how much work they're both putting into not fucking it up.
And I think everything they are doing is is fucking up their relationship. People who are in an intimate relationship (as opposed to a codependent one) don't have to go to such elaborate lengths to be in the same space. And what is it about pretending he's not using his bed that makes it somehow
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I don't think there's anything in particular I don't like. This isn't one of my top ten favorite fics or anything, but I can't really think of anything I'd want to change. Hmm.
At times Mulder's characterization throws me a little. The way he relates to Scully somehow makes her seem more separate from him than I'm used to. I don’t know how else to describe it. He can be thinking admiring or desirous thoughts about her and still seem quite aloof. I think Khyber’s really great with POV, in terms of making individual POV’s distinct and realistic and interesting, and this Mulder is all those things, which I like. But there’s something about him that keeps me a little on edge. Though I could say the same about canon Mulder.
Just to say that I'm completely--COMPLETELY--exhausted from circumstances that have nothing to do with fic commentary. Everyone knows I adore Khyber, and I'll try to say something more analytical tomorrow. If I sleep.
But the analytical stuff seems to be doing okay without me. Still, where is everyone? He is one of our greats.
Wen and I kind of anticipated that it would be pretty quiet over here for the rest of the summer. It's sad that right now people just don't seem to be in a commenting mood, because Khyber's fic deserves discussion, but fortunately we kind of went into this month prepared to carry the discussion on our own if we had to.
Not that it's something we could do all the time. *coughs* (Dear Readers: WE NEED YOU.)
I hope you can find the time/energy to comment though. Wen and I are opposties on this one, and a third perspective would really round out the discussion marvelously.
Still exhausted, but what the hell. Where DO you two get your energy? You seem to find it so easy to unfold such little tiny pleated bits of superanalysis. I'm not saying you're overthinking. I'm say I'm presently capable of underthinking at most. But what the hell
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Nice observation. I'll have to go look for that.
- I like that they have these unspoken arrangements, that Scully can sleep in Mulder's bed and pretend it's nothing so long as Mulder pretends he doesn't ever use the bed himself. And that Scully has been essentially hiding her collection of living essentials under his bathroom sink.
I'm not sure I do like that, or what is more to the point, I'm not sure I believe it. I guess it's supposed to be a sign of increasing intimacy except it isn't really because she has to pretend and he has to pretend and it all feels like a lot of work for very little reward. They don't have to be alone, I guess. But it's a far cry from real intimacy, that's for sure. I'd almost rather they didn't bother. Khyber's Mulder and Scully seem even more messed up than canon Mulder and Scully. It makes me sad.
- I like Mulder's resentment of Scully's apartment. When you think about ( ... )
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That's interesting. Even in canon I can absolutely see them having these unspoken checks and balances between them. In fact, I find the bit about Scully and Mulder both pretending he doesn't sleep in the bed a very excellent bit of characterization all around. I think our disagreement on this issue makes an interesting case for how people see intimacy very differently. As I see it, in a strange way the pretending and the self-denial and all of that is what makes it so intimate. It's also what keeps them exhausted and apart, for now, but the thing is, they're putting in this effort. Their consideration for each other and their care in tending to their relationship is evidenced by how much work they're both putting into not fucking it up. They've been through so ( ... )
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And I think everything they are doing is is fucking up their relationship. People who are in an intimate relationship (as opposed to a codependent one) don't have to go to such elaborate lengths to be in the same space. And what is it about pretending he's not using his bed that makes it somehow ( ... )
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At times Mulder's characterization throws me a little. The way he relates to Scully somehow makes her seem more separate from him than I'm used to. I don’t know how else to describe it. He can be thinking admiring or desirous thoughts about her and still seem quite aloof. I think Khyber’s really great with POV, in terms of making individual POV’s distinct and realistic and interesting, and this Mulder is all those things, which I like. But there’s something about him that keeps me a little on edge. Though I could say the same about canon Mulder.
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But the analytical stuff seems to be doing okay without me. Still, where is everyone? He is one of our greats.
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Not that it's something we could do all the time. *coughs* (Dear Readers: WE NEED YOU.)
I hope you can find the time/energy to comment though. Wen and I are opposties on this one, and a third perspective would really round out the discussion marvelously.
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