If it's exactly what is sounds like, that all women are by nature good, and all men are by nature savages, that sounds like misandry rather than misogynistic to me, so I must be misunderstanding something. At worst, calling all women nurturing is stereotypical, but not misogynistic.
By saying women are naturally good, that viewpoint fails to consider women as people.
Richard is plenty nurturing, compassionate, and often mercifulI disagree. Do you want book quotes? I'd say he's passionate but he rarely considers things from his opponent's perspective and tends to take opposition to his world
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Yes, but there are plenty of very, very evil women.
Who don't get as many words devoted to their story arcs or as much power over the course of the story.
Love is beautiful and selfess, lust is dirty and selfish.
I don't agree with either of those statements. Love can be dysfunctional and lust is only dirty if you make it so.
Since they’re Noble Savages, their men hunt and their women raise children, so it’s normal for them to consider telling a woman that she would be a good mother is compliment.First, very few cultures have a focus on women raising the children as their sole occupation. Strapping the baby on the back and going to work is much more common. Her ability to recover from birthing and get back to work ought to be of equal interest. Second, Noble Savage tropes are based on a romanticized version of cultures that don't work this way. Noble Savages have never been real or realistic. Third, Goodkind chose to include them. He's responsible for the implications. Fourth, as I said several times, it's not about any one
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Like I said, it’s not about choice, it’s about Richard’s complex.
A complex Goodkind chose to give Richard. It didn't fall onto the page. There were other ways Richard could have reacted.
I think both Richard and Goodkind understand why a woman would not want to keep a baby conceived under those circumstances.
Yet Goodkind never shows a woman who acts on those very good reasons and aborts.
Yeah, but then Richard meets Kahlan’s mom in the Temple of Winds, she explains to him why he’s overreacting, and he realizes that he was wrong and apologizes to Kahlan for his behavior!
That doesn't erase Richard's original reaction. Again, Goodkind chose to have him react that way. There were other possible reactions. Goodkind also chose to have the message of bad behavior come from an outside source instead of self reflection. He also chose Kahlan's reaction of shame.
Like I said before, I don’t see the problem with calling Lust a bad thing. Portraying sex as something women have and men take is misogynist. Portraying women who enjoy sex
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A complex Goodkind chose to give Richard. It didn't fall onto the page
I still think that makes it more about Richard's character than about Goodkind's philosophy. And even if Goodkind is pro-life, that doesn't mean he's a misogynist.
That doesn't erase Richard's original reaction. Again, Goodkind chose to have him react that way. There were other possible reactions. Goodkind also chose to have the message of bad behavior come from an outside source instead of self reflection. He also chose Kahlan's reaction of shame.
But doesn't the fact that Richard realized he was wrong negate all of that? It seems to me that by doing that he was implying that what Kahlan did was not wrong, and Richard should not have reacted that way. He wanted to have him react that way so he can later emphasize that that was not the way he should have reacted.
Portraying women who enjoy sex as deserving punishment is misogynist.Lust isn't simply about enjoying sex (which the good guys, like Kahlan and Cara, and even Adie do as well), it's about being
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It's both misandrist and misogynistic:
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml
http://moderateleft.com/?p=3763
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome
To paraphrase:
By saying women are naturally good, that viewpoint fails to consider women as people.
Richard is plenty nurturing, compassionate, and often mercifulI disagree. Do you want book quotes? I'd say he's passionate but he rarely considers things from his opponent's perspective and tends to take opposition to his world ( ... )
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Who don't get as many words devoted to their story arcs or as much power over the course of the story.
Love is beautiful and selfess, lust is dirty and selfish.
I don't agree with either of those statements. Love can be dysfunctional and lust is only dirty if you make it so.
Since they’re Noble Savages, their men hunt and their women raise children, so it’s normal for them to consider telling a woman that she would be a good mother is compliment.First, very few cultures have a focus on women raising the children as their sole occupation. Strapping the baby on the back and going to work is much more common. Her ability to recover from birthing and get back to work ought to be of equal interest. Second, Noble Savage tropes are based on a romanticized version of cultures that don't work this way. Noble Savages have never been real or realistic. Third, Goodkind chose to include them. He's responsible for the implications. Fourth, as I said several times, it's not about any one ( ... )
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A complex Goodkind chose to give Richard. It didn't fall onto the page. There were other ways Richard could have reacted.
I think both Richard and Goodkind understand why a woman would not want to keep a baby conceived under those circumstances.
Yet Goodkind never shows a woman who acts on those very good reasons and aborts.
Yeah, but then Richard meets Kahlan’s mom in the Temple of Winds, she explains to him why he’s overreacting, and he realizes that he was wrong and apologizes to Kahlan for his behavior!
That doesn't erase Richard's original reaction. Again, Goodkind chose to have him react that way. There were other possible reactions. Goodkind also chose to have the message of bad behavior come from an outside source instead of self reflection. He also chose Kahlan's reaction of shame.
Like I said before, I don’t see the problem with calling Lust a bad thing. Portraying sex as something women have and men take is misogynist. Portraying women who enjoy sex ( ... )
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I still think that makes it more about Richard's character than about Goodkind's philosophy. And even if Goodkind is pro-life, that doesn't mean he's a misogynist.
That doesn't erase Richard's original reaction. Again, Goodkind chose to have him react that way. There were other possible reactions. Goodkind also chose to have the message of bad behavior come from an outside source instead of self reflection. He also chose Kahlan's reaction of shame.
But doesn't the fact that Richard realized he was wrong negate all of that? It seems to me that by doing that he was implying that what Kahlan did was not wrong, and Richard should not have reacted that way. He wanted to have him react that way so he can later emphasize that that was not the way he should have reacted.
Portraying women who enjoy sex as deserving punishment is misogynist.Lust isn't simply about enjoying sex (which the good guys, like Kahlan and Cara, and even Adie do as well), it's about being ( ... )
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