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spitphyre November 19 2010, 01:35:53 UTC
As a fellow Wonder Woman fan I can say that they're new choice of costume and retconed past piss me off. If they wanted to give her a new look why didn't they put her in an awesome AMAZON outfit? With a great breast plate and a Greek/Roman inspired skirt?! Dude! Dude. And her new story? What the hell? How many more super heros do we need with dead parents?!

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nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 02:01:20 UTC
Oh, don't even get me started on the Origins story. I mean WW's story was a CLASSIC. I can't even think about that... seriously. No respect.

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dernhelm1982 November 21 2010, 19:46:56 UTC
That's what I was wondering too.

As a kid Wonder Woman was my idol.

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lesbido November 19 2010, 01:36:51 UTC
Yeah. Although their ideology is coming from a long-standing, knee-jerk, old feminist viewpoint of not catering to male's desires to have it all hanging out there. I always saw Wonder Woman as like Superman, that idealized version of a person so as to make her a "superhero." I couldn't take the Wonder Twins seriously because, well their powers are basically useless without each other, and moreover, their style was kinna Disco-era and not relateable to me at all.

But this "21st century WW" may just mean something a little more realistic than her 2in waist and +DD breasts.

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nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 02:03:06 UTC
I don't really believe DC made these changes because women asked them to. At all.

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spitphyre November 19 2010, 02:20:20 UTC
I think they THINK that women want that. This is the problem. Whenever comic publishers TRY to court women they get way patronizing.

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lesbido November 19 2010, 02:26:41 UTC
Oh, no, not women specifically, I don't think anyone at DC (or for that matter the comic industry) listens to any one person specifically, and it's always been very, very male-dominated and catered-to, but that their "21st century" upgrade is from an extremely generalized suggestion from over 50 years ago. They're not usually up with the times.

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nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 07:28:36 UTC
Hah!

Also: your icon is brilliant.

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Wait! uraniabce November 19 2010, 05:40:27 UTC
What about Super Girl?

I know. She should have been Super Woman a long time ago.

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Re: Wait! spitphyre November 19 2010, 07:02:59 UTC
There already is a Superwoman...

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Re: Wait! nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 07:42:25 UTC
The thing is: I didn't grow up celebrating either of those characters. Wonder Woman and Batgirl were far more visible. And Wonder Woman was her own thing, not an after thought. And even if Batgirl was lumped in with the Bat Posse, she managed to hold her own and also modelled the idea for me (as a little kid) that smart and strong and sexy were not opposing ideas.

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Re: Wait! spitphyre November 23 2010, 06:35:11 UTC
And Wonder Woman was her own thing, not an after thought

EXACTLY! There are so few women characters in comics who were designed to stand alone, not as a member of a group or as a sidekick!

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spitphyre November 19 2010, 07:05:52 UTC
Powergirl's costume is really dependent on the artist. In some incarnations it's just a clevage window. Then you get other artists who draw it so large and low that a: unless her nipples are on the underside of her breasts, thry'd be showing and b: no boobs of any kind, fake or othwise, would be able to stay covered and not fall out.

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nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 07:54:47 UTC
"Powergirl's costume is really dependent on the artist."

Ironically, Powergirl is just the result of DC trying to make Supergirl more sexually alluring to boys and thus increase sales. As a marketting strategy, it worked because sexually immature audiences tend to gravitate towards exaggerated displays of gender stereotypes.

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nrrrdy_grrrl November 19 2010, 07:38:24 UTC
IMHO, any superheroine who aspires to be "taken seriously by the menfolk" needs to rethink her aspirations. I am so hoping you're right about that temporary insanity theory and that the Wonder Abaya will be trashed soon enough.

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