19th Trauma

Oct 09, 2011 15:42

A friend of mine recently lent me a few books. Among them was a trilogy called "The Lord of the Rings." I've only read the first two books so far, but...I'm enjoying them. They raise a lot of interesting questions about morality and power ( Read more... )

!phone, insert eye of sauron joke, lord of the rings, they're taking the hobbits to isengard, !ic

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godisachild October 9 2011, 20:00:49 UTC
By now?

I'd say all of the above.

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wondering_eye October 9 2011, 20:16:50 UTC
That's an interesting answer. How is it possible for someone to be good and evil at the same time, though?

[Actually, after her time in Mayfield she more or less agrees with Pokey; she's playing devil's advocate.]

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godisachild October 9 2011, 20:18:45 UTC
...Still don't really know. I just know they can be. And sometimes someone who's evil can be good.

It's odd. I won't say I fully get it.

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wondering_eye October 9 2011, 20:33:41 UTC
I don't fully understand it either. I don't think it's something anyone can really provide a definitive answer to. But it's an interesting question, isn't it?

Honestly, sometimes I think that humans don't really have a true nature. Given how different they all are from each other, it's hard to shrink their behavior down to a common denominator.

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redthenightless October 9 2011, 20:53:33 UTC
Fools, for the most part.

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wondering_eye October 9 2011, 22:22:09 UTC
I expected to get this answer at least once.

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redthenightless October 10 2011, 05:52:48 UTC
They are. Forgettable and useless, but for the few that shine. Of course, there's more than enough of them to increase that shining number.

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wondering_eye October 12 2011, 03:25:37 UTC
And what, in your mind, constitutes a shining human?

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wizardoftheweek October 9 2011, 20:58:47 UTC
They are none. Humans, as individuals, are neutral molds that can be formed into those shapes. So, technically, "Corruptible" is correct, however, a human being can resist that corruption and become something more.

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wondering_eye October 9 2011, 22:49:16 UTC
So far, your answer is the best, I think...though now I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on youkai, as well. Are we the same as humans, in your opinion?

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wizardoftheweek October 9 2011, 23:10:32 UTC
Youkai... no longer have a place in the world at large. Our destiny is, ultimately, irrelevant.

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wondering_eye October 10 2011, 02:01:17 UTC
I wish I could argue. But we're already confined to such a small space as Gensokyo...I suppose eventually, it won't matter what our true nature was, will it?

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walking_nuke October 9 2011, 23:31:37 UTC
[Balin is taken aback by that question for a bit.]

... I dunno. Before-

[-"Before the Bane invaded and slaughtered most of humanity"-]

-I'd seen an' read up on guys on both sides of things. But yanno, but it was somethin' I'd learned in church when I still went.

["Though maybe I should go again now that there's a church to go to. Ciel's here at least."]

Nobody's without sin. We all fuck up somehow, but we can do better.

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wondering_eye October 10 2011, 02:02:15 UTC
Of course the capacity for good and evil exists. But what I want to know is if humans have a particular calling to either one, in your opinion. Are humans more likely to gravitate toward sin or redemption? What do you think?

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walking_nuke October 10 2011, 22:58:29 UTC
["It's weird. She really doesn't sound anything like something that belongs in Hell. Demons wouldn't ask for a human's opinion, would they?"]

I guess-well, I dunno. I guess it depends on'a person? Depends on how much'ey care. ... Well, no, that ain't right either. Some people convince themselves'ey're doin'a right thing when'ey sure as hell aren't.

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wondering_eye October 12 2011, 03:34:59 UTC
Then, you're saying that people tend to do what they think is good, regardless of whether or not they're right?

...But then, who decides whether they're right or not?

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mansfirsttrap October 10 2011, 00:29:43 UTC
The nature of humans... it's a mysterious thing.

Like any other being of nature, they are like beasts who thrive in their own society and acceptance in it's way of life. And even though they are all viewed the same as a whole, each individual one is still greatly different from the other. One can be ordinary while another can perform great feats as another one can be more greedy than others as another being more pious... each one can be 'evil' and 'good' at birth, as their own up bringing, or even as a choice.

But there is one thing I can safely say about human nature as a whole is that there is a spark in it that will always have a way to fascinate you in some sort of manner. There is always something that brings a man to go beyond his limits if need be that even makes the gods themselves go at a pause.

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wondering_eye October 10 2011, 02:04:46 UTC
[She wants to argue SO BAD but she can't deny that she's been fascinated by a human more than once in Mayfield.]

Hah. Yes, I understand what you're saying. Humans are certainly special like that. They're always full of surprises, even to someone like me.

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mansfirsttrap October 10 2011, 22:05:43 UTC
Hmm... has there been a human here that had impressed you so far?

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wondering_eye October 12 2011, 03:35:15 UTC
There's one.

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