Милибэнд: Нет, я не f..ing, я другой
Глава МИД Великобритании Дэвид Милибэнд в радиоэфире ВВС 5 заявил, что это неправда, что его коллега Сергей Лавров назвал его разтаким-то и разэдаким. И вообще министр стоически сопротивлялся попыткам раскрутить его на тему языка дипломатии.
Распечатка интервью есть на сайте ISRIA.info. Беседовала с министром Габби Логан, запись была сделана в минувшее воскресенье.
Габби Логан: Были сообщения о том, что при обсуждении грузинского кризиса министр иностранных дел России Сергей Лавров ругался на Вас по телефону и, в частности, употреблял слово на "F" и сказал что-то вроде "Да кто ты, ... , такой, чтобы мне тут лекции читать?"
Дэвид Милибэнд: Это не совсем так.
GL: А Вы сами, если выражаться дипломатически, совсем не так, как Лавров...
DM: Это не совсем так. Я не скажу об этом больше ничего, кроме одного: это неправда, что он назвал меня растаким и разэдаким, это неправда.
GL: Хорошо. Но это правда, что было очень трудно читать распечатку этого телефонного разговора, потому что пришлось опустить слишком много нецензурных выражений?
DM: Я думаю, что Министерство иностранных дел достигло новых успехов в современной дипломатии, в проведении пиар-кампаний в Интернете. Оно также преуспело в распечатывании протоколов встреч иногда до того, как эти встречи имеют место, и все это, разумеется, может принести хорошие результаты.
Кроме того Милибэнд заявил, что в Сергее Лаврове ему очень нравится, что тот никогда не использует дипломатию для того, чтобы скрыть, что он думает. И, по мнению Милибэнда, это хорошо, когда стороны могут в рамках обмена мнения поспорить, так как это означает, что они друг друга уважают.
В понедельник отдуваться за публикацию отрывка из разговора пришлось Сергею Лаврову. Глава МИД РФ заявил, что в беседе с Милибэндом он лишь процитировал мнение одного их европейского коллеги о Михаиле Саакашвили. А сказал тот коллега, что Саакашвили - "f...ng lunatic" ("долбаный псих"). До уровня передачи чужих слов Лавров дошел из соображений объективности, чтобы продемонстрировать британскому министру все разнообразие мнений о грузинском лидере.
"Дабы ознакомить Милибэнда с несколько иной оценкой, пришлось рассказать ему о характеристике, которую дал Михаилу Саакашвили в разговоре со мной наш коллега из одной европейской страны. Эта характеристика звучала так: "Fucking lunatic" (долбаный псих). Вот, собственно, и все. Эта была цитата, которая преследовала цель показать британскому министру альтернативные взгляды на фигуру нынешнего президента Грузии. Все остальное из поведанного в Daily Telegraph оставляю на совести анонимных "инсайдеров", - заявил Лавров.
В общем, вы вполне могли сравнить дипломатичность обоих собеседников.
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Gabby Logan (GL): I'm pleased to say I've been joined by David Miliband this morning. David you mentioned just before talking to other Foreign Ministers and there were reports over the weekend that at the height of the Georgian crisis the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, swore at you over the phone using the F word, well he actually said who are you to effing to lecture me apparently.
David Miliband (DM): That's not quite correct.
GL: Did you, very diplomatically put unlike his language ...
DM: That is not quite correct. I won't say anymore but it's not true that he called me an effing so and so, that is not true.
GL: Okay is it true that it was really, really hard to read the notes of what actually was said in the conversation because so many expletives had to be deleted?
DM: I think that the Foreign Office has some new virtues of sort of modern diplomacy, web based campaigning but it's also very good at writing minutes of meetings sometimes before the meetings happen and, but it certainly can produce a good outcome.
Anonymous speaker: If it is true ...
DM: It's not true ...
Anonymous speaker: ... and once again I must, if it is true though I must congratulate the Europeans and their knack of second languages that's (indistinct) pretty impressive.
DM: That is pretty impressive.
GL: Obviously it was a heated exchange which doesn't imply that relations with Russia are particularly rosy at the moment though.
DM: Well it's funny because on the one hand, or it's ironic, our economic relations have never been better and we've got two hundred and fifty thousand Russians working in the UK, we've got big trade between our two countries but politically we have a very different view. There was obviously the bilateral events, the death or the murder of Mr Litvinenko in London, the poisoning of Mr Litvinenko and then the Crown Prosecution Service asking for the help of the Russian Government in prosecuting him, the closure of the British Council and now we have the invasion of Georgia. And I don't deny, and I tried to say this to the Russian Foreign Minister, there was obviously a tit for tat between South Ossetia and Georgia, there were obviously wrongs as well as rights on both sides but whatever the rights and wrongs you can't go invading your neighbour's countries and redrawing the map of, you know, the borders of Europe on that basis.
And I'll see Sergei Lavrov again in New York in September, the week after next at the UN General Assembly, and, I mean, the good thing about Sergei Lavrov is that he's not one of these people who uses diplomacy to cover up what he thinks and I think it's better to have ...
GL: That's diplomatically put.
DM: ... it's better to have the sort of exchange where we can actually argue because it actually means you respect each other.
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So I think that it's very important that we continue to engage with Russia but we show very clearly that we want the right sort of relationship and if they break the rules we're going to work in a different way. Just one example, we're not dependent on Russian energy ourselves very much at the moment because, but we will be in ten or twenty years time. It's very, very important that we're able to negotiate with the Russians in an effective way for their gas supplies.
GL: Obviously it was a heated exchange which doesn't imply that relations with Russia are particularly rosy at the moment though.
DM: Well it's funny because on the one hand, or it's ironic, our economic relations have never been better and we've got two hundred and fifty thousand Russians working in the UK, we've got big trade between our two countries but politically we have a very different view. There was obviously the bilateral events, the death or the murder of Mr Litvinenko in London, the poisoning of Mr Litvinenko and then the Crown Prosecution Service asking for the help of the Russian Government in prosecuting him, the closure of the British Council and now we have the invasion of Georgia. And I don't deny, and I tried to say this to the Russian Foreign Minister, there was obviously a tit for tat between South Ossetia and Georgia, there were obviously wrongs as well as rights on both sides but whatever the rights and wrongs you can't go invading your neighbour's countries and redrawing the map of, you know, the borders of Europe on that basis.
And I'll see Sergei Lavrov again in New York in September, the week after next at the UN General Assembly, and, I mean, the good thing about Sergei Lavrov is that he's not one of these people who uses diplomacy to cover up what he thinks and I think it's better to have ...
GL: That's diplomatically put.
DM: ... it's better to have the sort of exchange where we can actually argue because it actually means you respect each other. And I think that it's very, very important since the end of the Cold War a whole new set of states have emerged on, from within the old Soviet Union, three of them are in the European Union and in NATO, the Baltic countries. You've got countries like Ukraine which are vital countries and then Georgia which has tried to make its own way and is, obviously, an important part of, you know, as you move towards the Caspian Sea and all the energy issues that are there.
So I think that it's very important that we continue to engage with Russia but we show very clearly that we want the right sort of relationship and if they break the rules we're going to work in a different way. Just one example, we're not dependent on Russian energy ourselves very much at the moment because, but we will be in ten or twenty years time. It's very, very important that we're able to negotiate with the Russians in an effective way for their gas supplies.
If we do that one country each around Europe we're going to get sliced up, if we do it together, a common European approach of twenty seven, I think we can actually negotiate with them on a, on a balanced position rather than just a weak position.
Нет, это не прачечная
Распечатка интервью есть на сайте ISRIA.info. Беседовала с министром Габби Логан, запись была сделана в минувшее воскресенье.
Габби Логан: Были сообщения о том, что при обсуждении грузинского кризиса министр иностранных дел России Сергей Лавров ругался на Вас по телефону и, в частности, употреблял слово на "F" и сказал что-то вроде "Да кто ты, ... , такой, чтобы мне тут лекции читать?"
Дэвид Милибэнд: Это не совсем так.
GL: А Вы сами, если выражаться дипломатически, совсем не так, как Лавров...
DM: Это не совсем так. Я не скажу об этом больше ничего, кроме одного: это неправда, что он назвал меня растаким и разэдаким, это неправда.
GL: Хорошо. Но это правда, что было очень трудно читать распечатку этого телефонного разговора, потому что пришлось опустить слишком много нецензурных выражений?
DM: Я думаю, что Министерство иностранных дел достигло новых успехов в современной дипломатии, в проведении пиар-кампаний в Интернете. Оно также преуспело в распечатывании протоколов встреч иногда до того, как эти встречи имеют место, и все это, разумеется, может принести хорошие результаты.
Кроме того Милибэнд заявил, что в Сергее Лаврове ему очень нравится, что тот никогда не использует дипломатию для того, чтобы скрыть, что он думает. И, по мнению Милибэнда, это хорошо, когда стороны могут в рамках обмена мнения поспорить, так как это означает, что они друг друга уважают.
В понедельник отдуваться за публикацию отрывка из разговора пришлось Сергею Лаврову. Глава МИД РФ заявил, что в беседе с Милибэндом он лишь процитировал мнение одного их европейского коллеги о Михаиле Саакашвили. А сказал тот коллега, что Саакашвили - "f...ng lunatic" ("долбаный псих"). До уровня передачи чужих слов Лавров дошел из соображений объективности, чтобы продемонстрировать британскому министру все разнообразие мнений о грузинском лидере.
"Дабы ознакомить Милибэнда с несколько иной оценкой, пришлось рассказать ему о характеристике, которую дал Михаилу Саакашвили в разговоре со мной наш коллега из одной европейской страны. Эта характеристика звучала так: "Fucking lunatic" (долбаный псих). Вот, собственно, и все. Эта была цитата, которая преследовала цель показать британскому министру альтернативные взгляды на фигуру нынешнего президента Грузии. Все остальное из поведанного в Daily Telegraph оставляю на совести анонимных "инсайдеров", - заявил Лавров.
В общем, вы вполне могли сравнить дипломатичность обоих собеседников.
.
Gabby Logan (GL): I'm pleased to say I've been joined by David Miliband this morning. David you mentioned just before talking to other Foreign Ministers and there were reports over the weekend that at the height of the Georgian crisis the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, swore at you over the phone using the F word, well he actually said who are you to effing to lecture me apparently.
David Miliband (DM): That's not quite correct.
GL: Did you, very diplomatically put unlike his language ...
DM: That is not quite correct. I won't say anymore but it's not true that he called me an effing so and so, that is not true.
GL: Okay is it true that it was really, really hard to read the notes of what actually was said in the conversation because so many expletives had to be deleted?
DM: I think that the Foreign Office has some new virtues of sort of modern diplomacy, web based campaigning but it's also very good at writing minutes of meetings sometimes before the meetings happen and, but it certainly can produce a good outcome.
Anonymous speaker: If it is true ...
DM: It's not true ...
Anonymous speaker: ... and once again I must, if it is true though I must congratulate the Europeans and their knack of second languages that's (indistinct) pretty impressive.
DM: That is pretty impressive.
GL: Obviously it was a heated exchange which doesn't imply that relations with Russia are particularly rosy at the moment though.
DM: Well it's funny because on the one hand, or it's ironic, our economic relations have never been better and we've got two hundred and fifty thousand Russians working in the UK, we've got big trade between our two countries but politically we have a very different view. There was obviously the bilateral events, the death or the murder of Mr Litvinenko in London, the poisoning of Mr Litvinenko and then the Crown Prosecution Service asking for the help of the Russian Government in prosecuting him, the closure of the British Council and now we have the invasion of Georgia. And I don't deny, and I tried to say this to the Russian Foreign Minister, there was obviously a tit for tat between South Ossetia and Georgia, there were obviously wrongs as well as rights on both sides but whatever the rights and wrongs you can't go invading your neighbour's countries and redrawing the map of, you know, the borders of Europe on that basis.
And I'll see Sergei Lavrov again in New York in September, the week after next at the UN General Assembly, and, I mean, the good thing about Sergei Lavrov is that he's not one of these people who uses diplomacy to cover up what he thinks and I think it's better to have ...
GL: That's diplomatically put.
DM: ... it's better to have the sort of exchange where we can actually argue because it actually means you respect each other.
<...>
So I think that it's very important that we continue to engage with Russia but we show very clearly that we want the right sort of relationship and if they break the rules we're going to work in a different way. Just one example, we're not dependent on Russian energy ourselves very much at the moment because, but we will be in ten or twenty years time. It's very, very important that we're able to negotiate with the Russians in an effective way for their gas supplies.
GL: Obviously it was a heated exchange which doesn't imply that relations with Russia are particularly rosy at the moment though.
DM: Well it's funny because on the one hand, or it's ironic, our economic relations have never been better and we've got two hundred and fifty thousand Russians working in the UK, we've got big trade between our two countries but politically we have a very different view. There was obviously the bilateral events, the death or the murder of Mr Litvinenko in London, the poisoning of Mr Litvinenko and then the Crown Prosecution Service asking for the help of the Russian Government in prosecuting him, the closure of the British Council and now we have the invasion of Georgia. And I don't deny, and I tried to say this to the Russian Foreign Minister, there was obviously a tit for tat between South Ossetia and Georgia, there were obviously wrongs as well as rights on both sides but whatever the rights and wrongs you can't go invading your neighbour's countries and redrawing the map of, you know, the borders of Europe on that basis.
And I'll see Sergei Lavrov again in New York in September, the week after next at the UN General Assembly, and, I mean, the good thing about Sergei Lavrov is that he's not one of these people who uses diplomacy to cover up what he thinks and I think it's better to have ...
GL: That's diplomatically put.
DM: ... it's better to have the sort of exchange where we can actually argue because it actually means you respect each other. And I think that it's very, very important since the end of the Cold War a whole new set of states have emerged on, from within the old Soviet Union, three of them are in the European Union and in NATO, the Baltic countries. You've got countries like Ukraine which are vital countries and then Georgia which has tried to make its own way and is, obviously, an important part of, you know, as you move towards the Caspian Sea and all the energy issues that are there.
So I think that it's very important that we continue to engage with Russia but we show very clearly that we want the right sort of relationship and if they break the rules we're going to work in a different way. Just one example, we're not dependent on Russian energy ourselves very much at the moment because, but we will be in ten or twenty years time. It's very, very important that we're able to negotiate with the Russians in an effective way for their gas supplies.
If we do that one country each around Europe we're going to get sliced up, if we do it together, a common European approach of twenty seven, I think we can actually negotiate with them on a, on a balanced position rather than just a weak position.
Нет, это не прачечная