_minis

[wisdomeagle]

I'm running the current round of femslash_minis. The poll is open here. After I posted the poll, WITHIN MINUTES four people had voted that they would definitely participate (it's an addiction). No one's voted that way since

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[mireille719]

There could be an everybody_gets_some_minis. (Which is too long for an LJ name, but still.)

[marenfic]

I would love a het_minis. Who is theorizing about it, and why doesn't it exist? :)

[wisdomeagle]

Well, Mir mentioned that if someone were to create it and pimp it in maleslash_minis, that would be pretty okay. ::g::

(I was thinking about why it doesn't exist and whether I should or could create it, but I feel that right now, it's most important to me that we [and by we I mean the nebulous minis fen?] keep femslash_minis running.)

But if the minis_admin had time? I would so do almost every round of het_minis.

[alixtii]

Well, not everyone treats Illyria as ungendered, though. Definitely in the early rounds of femslash_minis we were treating her as elligible; then we just sort of stopped (I do sort of blame you). [It's strange how right after the series ended, I wrote Illyria a lot, but now I haven't written her in years.)

Does the member of the Ra-Tet in my icon count as gendered?

[wisdomeagle]

Yes, but they're wrong.

"Amoral Boundaries" was written as backup for a/the Jossverse femslash ficathon circa March of '05, and that's my own personal Illyria canon right there. Yes, most of the other characters see It as female, yes, its current body is female, but It doesn't think of Itself as female in any way that's meaningful in our gendered discourse.

I'm not sure how I would answer your question personally. (In the also only theorized and it will probably never happen genderless_minis, I would say if you can make an interesting argument that your character has no gender or doesn't fit into our male/female gender system, then ze'll be included in the poll.) It's probably been too long since I've seen any of AngelI think Glory/Glorificus and Jasmine/unpronounceably fatal name and Dawn/the Key don't qualify for genderless_minis because, although the bodies they inhabit are "only" incarnations, they all identify quite strongly as female and inhabit without question social positions that align with their created bodies. Illyria

[alixtii]

Then, my Illyria is a lot more... alien than most people read It, I think. Which is why most people can read It as a "her" and I really, really can't.

Yes, I think there's definitely plenty of room for interpretation in canon--I like your reading particularly because I see it as contrarian--although of course I think most fic exchanges need to be flexible enough to be able to accomodate the spectrum of interpretations.

I think Glory/Glorificus and Jasmine/unpronounceably fatal name and Dawn/the Key don't qualify for genderless_minis because, although the bodies they inhabit are "only" incarnations, they all identify quite strongly as female and inhabit without question social positions that align with their created bodies. Illyria really doesn't, certainly not unproblematically.

There's something about this logic that I find disturbing, although I can't quite articulate it at the moment.

[wisdomeagle]

I like your reading particularly because I see it as contrarian

Well, yes, a bit, but it's also one of those things (like a HP example that would probably be meaningless to you) where it's just my initial, unquestioned reading of canon, and it truly does puzzle me that the world reads it differently.

There's something about this logic that I find disturbing, although I can't quite articulate it at the moment.Well, I think there's something problematic in my reasoning in that Glory especially is a stereotype of femininity, while Illyria is.. not. And for the record, I don't see Illyria as male or masculine at all. I think It sees the entire multiverse in categories of power and that the gender binary is irrelevant and mildly perplexing, and that some of the ways It views power might map to the ways our culture views gender, but in such a mapping Illyria would certainly not view Itself as female

[frogfarm]

Although, if it's Faith, I might have steered clear in any event.

Shun the nonbeliever! Shuuuuun!

(I just had to say something because given that quote, your icon seemed a tad inappropriate :)