More 2046 thoughts

Feb 25, 2006 17:44

Question: In the voiceover intro, Tak says "Every passenger who goes to 2046 has the same intention. They want to recapture lost memories - because nothing ever changes in 2046. Nobody really knows if it's true because nobody has ever come back. Except me" but then Tak says "If someone wants to leave 2046 - how long will it take? Some people get ( Read more... )

asian cinema, analysis, film, wong kar wai, 2046, kimura takuya, faye wong, tony leung

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alexandral February 25 2006, 23:30:29 UTC
I haven't made up my mind about your first question (about the coming back). It could be that "Some people get away very easily. Others find that it takes them much longer." has the meaning about getting away in general, getting away from the things that haunt us in life, where 2046 has the particular meaning of "The place in the story which Chow wrote". Like two different things ( ... )

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alexandral February 25 2006, 23:35:44 UTC
I am sorry i have deleted the comment without realising you were answering...

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winterspel February 25 2006, 23:39:13 UTC
No worries, dear! :) Crossed wires, that's all.

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winterspel February 25 2006, 23:38:32 UTC

Yes, I agree that everything does come back to the first Su Li Zhen (and of course that is how he ends up at the hotel - because he bumped in to Lulu, saw the 2046 on the door, and went back to find her, which led to him taking the apartment) He had thought that he was "over" that period of his life, but discovers that he's really not. However, I don't think that his love for Jing Wen is a projection of anything anymore. I think he loved her for her, the same way he loved the first Su Li Zhen for herself. He doesn't have that same feeling for Bai Ling or for the Black Spider at all.

I agree with you though, that he does realize that Jing Wen is her own person and in love with someone else, but nothing happens, but from the disappointment in his face when Jing Wen's father tells him that she is marrying the Japanese man, I think he still held out a tiny bit of hope until that moment.

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kitsah February 26 2006, 02:40:58 UTC
lol, I'm starting to think I really need to watch this!

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koalathebear February 26 2006, 06:06:00 UTC
How could you doubt it? :D Thing is you kind of need to see the 'set'. I'm still formulating my thoughts for a response to winterspel's post :D Much food for thought! ;)

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catdecember February 26 2006, 06:13:36 UTC
see, even if tak's character only had a short screentime, i was heartbroken with his story.

well wong kar wai movies always touch me, they're all very emotional. its so hard to detach from it... :)

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Just posting on one aspect at this stage [amended to add a link!] koalathebear February 26 2006, 10:52:28 UTC
I am still mulling over this excellent post. You have raised many thought-provoking issues and my brain is having a mini implosion.

About the possible contradiction between this:

Nobody really knows if it's true because nobody has ever come back. Except me" but then Tak says "If someone wants to leave 2046 - how long will it take? Some people get away very easily. Others find that it takes them much longer.I have a vague memory of this issue crossing my mind at some point, too and of discussing this with my friend James who is a WKW and 2046 issue. I can't remember the answer he gave me so I've emailed him to ask :D I also remember that at the time I kept getting mixed up between 2046 and 2047 :P By the way, you might know this already but 2046 is the year that China's 50 year arrangement with Hong Kong expires. Hong Kong will revert back to China in total. That is the day when all of the leases in Hong Kong become Chinese so it's a very significant date from that perspective. It will mark the end of one era and the ( ... )

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another one of my stupid Freudian typos :P koalathebear February 26 2006, 12:10:35 UTC
James who is a WKW and 2046 issue

Errrr ... I meant expert. Sometimes I think I must have mad cow disease or something.

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Re: another one of my stupid Freudian typos :P winterspel February 26 2006, 14:54:39 UTC
:D Don't worry, my brain filled in the right word!

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Re: another one of my stupid Freudian typos :P koalathebear February 27 2006, 13:35:00 UTC
'kay my friend James emailed me back today. He said:
My interpretation is that...no one leaves 2046. If you do, no one knows how long it takes ie. how long he has to be in that train.

People stay in 2046, so actually no one takes the train back - except for Tak. Even though he decided to get on that train, it still all depends on himself. 2046 is our past. People stay there because they don't want to change. Only chow wants to have change. Although he wants to change or forget the past, that doesn't mean he can do it, it all depends wether he can let it go.

For instance, no one eats dinosaur. You might say that if someone tries to eat it, some can swallow it easily, some must chew longer, some cannot swallow al all. The above statement doesn't really mean that someone has definitely eaten dinosaur before

He had me until he started talking about dinosaurs ;)

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