Holiday Spirit

[will_to_power37]

Studying is winding down, and I'm finding the holidays to actual look quite cheerful, though really anything is better than going to a Muggle orphanage. I am somewhat envious of everyone getting together for Christmas parties at their homes, but really I think Christmas at Hogwarts this year will be glorious. Some of my dear friends are staying as

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[quidditchncandy]

Why should anyone be in awe of us? What can we do that they can't? Wizards and Muggles eat, breathe, have babies or don't, love and/or hate others, bleed and cry and smile. Either way, we're all just people.

Even if the girl isn't as intelligent as you are, that isn't really her fault, is it? If the orphanage is as bad as you seem to feel it is, then she most likely hasn't had the same opportunity for education.

[quidditchncandy]

"I think you make nature into your God Tom..."

I was going to say something about that, but I think you put it better then I could've. My problem isn't with anyone believing in or having any form of Higher Deity, but more where Tom talked about Muggles believing in them as though this is a weakness, and then proceeds to talk of 'Nature' and his versions of logic and reasoning as though they are Gods beyond questioning. Basically, he's being a hypocrite.

I'd like to say that at the least you've given me some food for thought. So your efforts didn't fall only on deaf ears.

[will_to_power37]

Nature is all that is and is scientifically proven to work the way I explained that it does while God on the other hand is just something people create in their heads to give them security. It sounds almost as if you're upset because you cannot disagree with what is known to be true as much as I am sure you would want to be able to say that your little fantasy world of everyone holding hands and singing "kumbaya" is in any way something to be grasped. This is exactly the type of mentality that we wizards need to overcome if we are to change things for the better.

[quidditchncandy]

You explained nothing. All you've done is twist facts to suit your own theories. You only brought up science because I was starting to lean that way in my arguing and you thought you could cut me off and railroad me with your superior knowledge, most likely thinking that my being Pureblood meant that I'd be ignorant on the subject.

It's not something that would happen overnight. Maybe not ever. It doesn't mean that it's any lesser a goal to work towards. If you want to pull completely from nature for examples, then how about how so many animals are able to form social structures. While many of them do form hierarchies, it is earned through an agreed upon system. And then there are some that have no discernible one, yet exist socially in peace.

[will_to_power37]

Oh, I fear we shouldn't bring up animals or else dear Percy will have something to say about how such examples don't point to facts among humans. Yet if you look at the animal kingdom and their structures especially when different breeds relate to each other, you will notice the truth I've been espousing all along, that it is survival of the fittest and those willing to fight for the top. But as I said before, Percy wouldn't approve of us using such examples.

[quidditchncandy]

Then I shall have to beg his pardon and say that I'm the one who picked it up again should he become upset.

One can also find symbiotic relationships. I'll even use an example that should appeal to your kill-or-be-killed predator view. A common place to see these is with predator and something that is similar to it's prey, but should the predator devour it, the predator is likely to sicken and die without it there to assist it. The other would starve should it allow the predator to die.

[will_to_power37]

I fail to see the point of your analogy. It's simply another way nature designs a species to survive. The predator is not always the fittest nor do I suggest that we become predatorial, merely more aggressive about our superiority.

[dromedaunchaind]

Oh HONESTLY. This thing is dated back for days. DAYS.
You both needed to have dropped this ages ago, when it became obvious that neither one was going to give up or back down. You've both made some very good points, which shows that you are both far too smart for this ridiculous behavior. I'm almost ashamed to say that I go to school with either of you.

You're starting to look like a couple of penises. Please either drop your pissing match, or move it to a less public forum. Thank you and have a happy New Year.

[will_to_power37]

I'm incredibly sorry that our little debate upsets you, Andromeda. For your sake, I shall drop the matter entirely.

[dromedaunchaind]

This stopped being 'little' quite a ways back. It doesn't even have anything to do with the original issue. *sighs* I really shouldn't have felt any need to come in and scold what are supposed to be a couple of grown (at least in the legal sense) men.

Thank you, but you shouldn't do it simply for my sake either. I'm all for impassioned debate, public or no, but a debate generally involves little things like acknowledging one another's points and views, and a willingness to meet in the middle on certain things, or at least not steamrolling on with your own opinion regardless of what anyone else says. You should have dropped it when you realized either that you were unwilling to bend or listen on certain things, or that he was, and the same applies to Cedric.

Since you are letting it go, I'll do the same, and not say anymore on the matter.

[will_to_power37]

Eloquent as always. I appreciate your zeal. Don't worry. It was an enlightening conversation for both of us, and I've hardly any bad feelings toward Cedric.

((ooc: suuuuure ya don't. XD))

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[dromedaunchaind]

The fact that he even admits to any almost has me felling frightened for Ced. Almost. XDD

[quidditchncandy]

Ignoring your lack of an actual example, I'm going to go after your anomalies theory.

If it were only anomalies, then why is it when a wizard and a muggle have a child the child is always a wizard? Or when a half-blood and a pure blood? Or two half-bloods? If it was wizards having a dominate gene, then with the Muggle/Wizard couple, then you should have something like a 75/25 mix. In the half-bloods roughly 50-50 or so and so on. But no, it's always. I have never heard of a single child from any of these combinations who was not a wizard. In fact, the less pure wizard blood that they have, the stronger and more creative they tend to be

[will_to_power37]

Your equation is perfect except that you forget another side of it. Wizards do not ALWAYS create wizards as the existence of Squibs attests to. Obviously, if we were the dominate race, our genes get preference upon transference but this is not always the case. In the end it proves my point a bit more than yours, I'm afraid. As for the infertile case, you can certainly interbreed species, in fact this happens most frequently where magic is involved (which is something that our dear Ministry keeps trying to hush up, but the fact remains that we can breed magical and non magical species together quite well). All this proves, again, is the superiority of magic in Nature.
As for ignoring, I think I shall chose to ignore your vulgarity on the premise that having already been accused of being tactless, I would hate to add hypocrisy to that as well, though some already seem to think I am.

((ooc: XD I think more people should've said that to Tom as he was growing up. Then maybe things would've turned out differently. XD))

[quidditchncandy]

Wizards with Muggles and Muggleborns do is what I was trying to say, and any combination of Wizard/Muggle within about three generations does. Sorry if that became unclear. This points more to magic being something not quite of nature, more then it being a gift of nature. All other things within nature follow a much more predictable and observable paths if you know how to look, unlike magic, which can react to things that shouldn't even be an issue.

I've said nothing vulgar. "Vagina" is the proper term for the part of female anatomy involved in birth. If I'd called it anything else, that would have been vulgar.

[will_to_power37]

Not everything in nature is predictable as most natural disasters attest to. I think I would study your sciences a bit more, if I were you.

((ooc: Tom's a little perplexed at how the subject of a woman's vagina has suddenly become a part of this discussion...XDDD))