Doctor Who 4:13 (spoilers ahead)

[wickedgillie]

 First, I want to thank everyone who sent well-wishes for my brother and friends who were struck head-on by a drunk driver after the fireworks and a late dinner early Saturday morning. Nearly everyone is out of the hospital, including my brother, and they'll all more or less be fine. Some concussions, two broken sternums, his girlfriend's wrist

Comments

[witch_wolf]

Hugs for you brother and his friends, sending well wishes.

I love your analysis. I loved Sarah Jane -- She was by far my favorite Companion... I remember watching Dr. Who when I was a kid and swooning over her and well 4 -- 3 was too much like a dad for her. I loved that they brought her back -- And I love K9...

Rose/Donna are my favorite companions since the show came back. But not because of the love angle -- I thought that they were there to heal the Dr. he needed to forgive himself for being alive.

I love Rose because she taught him to love.

I love Rose because she taught him that companions are friends and are liablities.

I am torn about Rose and human/10 I am not sure if we are going to see the end of that - I am just not sure. Rose has a much hard life I think with the human 10 than with the Dr. I am not sure How I feel about the whole Dr. saying that she can save him just like she saved him -- I kinda hate that type of storyline in romances that the woman or the man saves the other with love.

:)

[wickedgillie]

I was a huge Sarah Jane/Four shipper. I was shattered when he left her behind. And I was fully prepared not to like Rose. But I was simply overwhelmed by the incredible love story RTD told me of Ten/Rose over the past 4 years.

As for how Rose will deal with her hybrid DonnaDoctor (who, we mustn't forget, has a ton of Donna's mannerisms now as well), I still feel like a part of her will always miss the real him, even if Ten manages to convince himself otherwise. And she does have a long row to hoe with DonnaDoctor. Not because he's broken from exterminating the Daleks. But because he's been taken out of time, has lost a heart, and is forced to live a linear life with all of his knowledge, even if it's with the person he likes best. Particularly since he will always wonder whether Rose loves HIM him or Ten.

[witch_wolf]

I was saying as much in my Blog I just posted about it. I think there are a lot of challenges to that relationship. How will Rose deal with the fact that this really isn't her Doctor but has the face the smell the feel, the knowledge -- How will they deal with mundane life. It's not going to be babies and puppies -- more like lots of struggles.

[wickedgillie]

Coming to read your thoughts now.

And I don't think we'll ever find out what happens with DonnaDoctor/Rose in canon with Moffat, unless we get books or another showrunning to pick up that thread. Moffat has shown a propensity for introducing new characters, ignoring the official companion, and sacrificing character for his oh-so-clever plots (the last two of which weren't terribly clever IMHO)

[rusty_halo]

Oh my god, stop making me cry. :(

I agree with you and I think you wrote this beautifully, but I don't think he's going to be permanently closed-off. He'll try, but he's the Tenth Doctor, the most emotionally needy being in the history of the universe. He'll reach out and connect again eventually, and then he'll get hurt again, but it's like he can never stop putting his hand into the fire, even though he knows it'll burn him, because he so desperately needs the heat.

He'll open up again, and he'll break again. I don't think this is the final word.

[wickedgillie]

Awwww, sorry for making you cry! Then again, this whole season of Doctor Who has had me so amazingly emo.

but I don't think he's going to be permanently closed-off. He'll try, but he's the Tenth Doctor, the most emotionally needy being in the history of the universe. He'll reach out and connect again eventually, and then he'll get hurt again, but it's like he can never stop putting his hand into the fire, even though he knows it'll burn him, because he so desperately needs the heat.

He'll open up again, and he'll break again. I don't think this is the final word.

I have less faith in Moffat than RTD to handle this in a way that is true to character. You're right in that Ten is easily the neediest man in the universe, and he will reach out again. It's inevitable, I suppose. But we're given a bookend, at least, where at least for now, Ten won't let anyone in for a long time. Unless, of course, Rose doesn't want her not!Doctor and will only settle for the real McCoy. Here's hoping, anyhow.

[rusty_halo]

I think the blue!Doctor is the Doctor, just morally more like Nine. He's got all the Doctor's memories. Rose has dealt with regeneration before and I do think she'll love this version of him.

But now I have this image of her cloning herself and using the universe-hopper to send her clone back to the original Doctor so that he won't be alone. (And will get a taste of his own damn medicine!)

[wickedgillie]

While the DonnaDoctor is more like Nine morally, he isn't fully the Doctor. He is also part Donna Noble. He is not the same man no matter how he and Ten try to slice it. And the Rose Tyler I know and love, while she may give part of her heart to the DonnaDoctor, will never stop loving or worrying after Ten because who has he got now to hold his hand?

And I have to say, I kinda like the idea of Ten getting his own replacement Rose, lol.

[retch]

oh no, sorry to hear your brother was in a car accident! :( Glad he is ok, if injured.

[wickedgillie]

He's pretty traumatized, and beyond some gashes and bruises, he does have some problems with one of his hands. I think if anything, though, his biggest issue is that his girlfriend did not yet have her seatbelt on (they were just pulling out of the partking lot at Station Square) and she flew out the rear hatchback window with him unable to stop her (he was the one stuck sitting in the hatch for the ride home)

[retch]

wow, that's terrible. But injured is far preferable to dead, so I'm glad they made it through. hopefully they'll both recover quickly.

[wickedgillie]

All 6 kids (and when I say kids, I mean they range in age from 21 to 24) are hanging in there. Given how drunk this guy was, and how fast he was going, it's a wonder they're not worse off!

[heatherartist]

Amie - I am so sorry to hear of the accident - but they all did survive thankfully. My good wishes and healing energy go out to all of you! Much love, Heather

[wickedgillie]

thankee :)

[suffolkgirl]

First, glad to hear your brother and his friends are ok. Best wishes to all of them.

Re Doctor Who, I was amused by your review because when watching the Bad Wolf Bay scene I was thinking 'well at least the Rose/Doctor shippers will be happy!'. Obviously not. Reading this I really understand why you were unhappy though. The scene felt to me as if RTD was doing his best to give Rose her happy ending with the Doctor while not annoying the fans who hate the Doctor having a love life - I suppose it's not surprising that he ended up pleasing neither.

I'm really going to miss Donna. She revitalised this series and I enjoyed it the most of the four series in this new version because of her and her relationship with the Doctor, they were such fun together. Ah well...

[wickedgillie]

Pretty much every single Ten/Rose shipper I know is seriously unhappy with this ending. According to Confidential, the actors and RTD himself aren't happy with this ending. From what we've seen on screen, even Rose and Not!Ten aren't happy with this ending. And it's pretty damned obvious how bloody unhappy Ten is right now.

That's why I am 100% convinced that this isn't the ending. It's The Empire Strikes Back--utterly bleak, utterly brilliant, and utterly a middle chapter before the sappy ending:

http://wickedgillie.livejournal.com/218277.html

And hells yes, on Catherine Tate's Donna. I loved her to bits. I have a feeling that her story isn't over yet, either.

::keeping fingers and toes crossed::