Mt 26:31-35

Mar 22, 2006 07:25

Christ says all will fall ( Read more... )

that's the book for me!, bible

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calcnerd256 March 22 2006, 16:56:24 UTC
that sounds works-based

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whitecrow255 March 23 2006, 05:27:06 UTC
what I mean by "how far you advance the kingdom despite your fall" is that the crown we get in heaven will mark the difference between those who were simply saved and those who got saved and helped the kingdom along.

And remember, Faith w/o works is dead.

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calcnerd256 March 23 2006, 16:09:56 UTC
ah
right

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calcnerd256 March 22 2006, 16:57:46 UTC
then again, do we know whether judas was saved or not?
well, i guess it all depends upon whether or not he accepted the free gift of salvation or in the end rejected it
i'd say salvation and good deeds are separate

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whitecrow255 March 23 2006, 05:33:30 UTC
Christ hadn't died yet, so therefore Judas was still bound by Jewish law at that point (the point where he hangs himself).

Most generally assume Judas Iscariot's damnation; however, if you can prove he wasn't I'd like to see it.

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calcnerd256 March 23 2006, 16:06:20 UTC
but wasn't moses justified by faith?
if i understand correctly, the prophets were saved ex post facto

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whitecrow255 March 24 2006, 05:00:38 UTC
I would think Moses was justified by His will or Levitical laws or something like that. Either way he didn't go to heaven strait off, he would've gone to Abraham's bosom much like Lazarus in Luke 16.

And would Sampson have been justified by his being dedicated to His will as a child? Or would submission and worship have sanctified both.

More study needed. (as opposed to Moor study needed, lol (Othello in Shakespeare class))

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