A frustrated and largely rhetorical question.

May 27, 2007 10:31

WHY do people persist in describing the Weasleys, not as skint, which they are, but as 'working class'?  WHY?

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rakugan May 27 2007, 10:26:47 UTC
To save <lj user=wemyss> the bother of answering ellie_nor May 27 2007, 10:50:38 UTC
Class is based on occupation/social standing, not on wealth. You can be an aristocrat (upper class) and be very poor, or you can be working class and very rich.

My personal understanding of the British class system:

lumpenproletariat = unemployed or illegally employed / self-employed
working class = blue collar - manual labour, whether employed or self-employed
middle class = white collar - desk-based work, from clerical to senior management, or 'professions', like lawyer, doctor, priest, teacher, etc.
upper class = land-owning families - largely the aristocracy

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additional thoughts ellie_nor May 27 2007, 10:51:28 UTC
But you can be middle class and unemployed - a lot has to do with the class culture in which you're raised, expectations, aspirations, etc.

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Re: additional thoughts sollersuk May 27 2007, 11:23:02 UTC
There are gradations of unemployed, from currently out of work to long term. A lot depends on what you are not employed as, and indeed whether you have ever worked.

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alexia75 May 27 2007, 10:43:05 UTC
Because "people" do not understand the class system but persist on using it as though they do.

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ellie_nor May 27 2007, 10:52:49 UTC
Perhaps because 'people' are largely American / otherwise non-British and assume that class relates to money, as it usually does in their own culture?

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eagles_rock May 27 2007, 13:04:59 UTC
OK, I guess not what you're looking for but...

..because Molly's as common as muck, Fred&George are chavs, Percy's in a rebellion against his parents by being middle-class and Ron cares about money to the extent of admitting so. Bill and Charlie are the sterortypical working-class grammar-school pupils who emigrate to get away from home.

But yes, Arthur's middle-class.

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eagles_rock May 27 2007, 13:13:22 UTC
But more than anything - Molly and Arthur don't *aspire*. Not an ounce. And I daresay Ron's very existence depended on that.

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titti May 27 2007, 13:28:47 UTC
Priceless and so very true. *giggles*

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themolesmother May 27 2007, 13:39:37 UTC
I agree with you about Molly, she's definitely a couple of rungs down the class ladder from Arthur.

As for Fred and George - chavs is to kind a word for those two.

MM

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kaskait May 27 2007, 15:24:01 UTC
The Weaseleys are "working class", since when?

The family always struck me as a family that were prior big deals in the WW and now are just holding on by their finger nails. If they weren't then Malfoy would have been able to crush Arthur into dust in the MOM and Molly wouldn't be so concerned with isolating her children from "lesser" families.

That was my impression.

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Quite. wemyss May 28 2007, 12:38:44 UTC
Well stated.

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