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taversham September 20 2010, 13:51:24 UTC
Just wanted to ask, where are you getting you ball-contacts data from? Because they're wildly different both from the ones from Impire, and the ones on the bundesliga.de Live Ticker (they both differ between each other too, but only slightly, with both Fritz and Silvestre at about 100, and Marin at 69-ish...both have Frings in 3rd place on 74/78 respectively).

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taversham September 20 2010, 15:28:57 UTC
...I'm undoubtedly being really stupid here, but, er, the totals of what?

*is so confused*

I entirely agree that numbers aren't everything. But also, your numbers really aren't making sense to me.

By far the more worrying thing I see in the pass statistics is that the defence and defensive midfield spent most of the match passing between themselves, which inherently lacks forward momentum. (With apparently the slight exception of Boro...huh.)

(And I agree that Arnautovic and Almeida were unfortunate it terms of how the formation worked out, it didn't help either of them. There are definitely excuses. Otoh, Frings was looking better as a CB than either of them were looking up front for most of the match imo, and that's a pretty dismal state of affairs whichever way you cut it.)

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wb_deep_play September 20 2010, 16:55:24 UTC
Well the lack of horizontal passes is what led to our left and right back's doing a lot of running up and down the side and accumulating ball contacts (without subsequent proper passes reaching our attack) increasing the pressure. Frings playing a boring side pass instead, basically reads: he refuses to attack. Well, he refuses to attack because Mainz cleverly did fantastic forchecking on the other hand. And left only little room. To open up the space, we needed to move up further (but with a ramshackle of a defense :0 ( ... )

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