There's a ton in this I agree with. I was thinking about it afterwards, and I really do hate the fact that Claire has nullified all the gorgeous character development we saw in "Company Man." I would've much preferred what you suggested- that she popped back like five years later when Bennet was really struggling. And, yeah, not a mention, nothing. Really lame, and lazy. And while I'm thrilled the writers had the brains not to make her the catalyst, I also hate the fact that I'm clinging to small details like that to confirm that my attachment is not misplaced.
But, of course, I'm sticking around too. Because I'm still attached. And there's no way I'm leaving you guys. And Claude might come back.
And while I'm thrilled the writers had the brains not to make her the catalyst, I also hate the fact that I'm clinging to small details like that to confirm that my attachment is not misplaced.
I hate those small details. It's almost worst than the big crappy details. Because it's episodes like last week's, and segments like the Hiro with his mom parts, that make me think someone in that writer's room knows what they're doing, and what annoys us. Which makes the rest of the stuff more disappointing.
Plus my slowly dwindling faith that Claude will ever come back is making me sad. I almost hope that when he does he is killed off, so I don't have to cling to the hope that he'll come back again, the next time things get bad. But oh well. The show going on in my mind is so much better than the actual one.
You definitely know I've had my problems with the show this season, and there are plenty of examples where they pissed on logic and commom-sense and continuity. It's why my first reaction was to hate The Hunger. But, in terms of last night's episode specifically, I actually kind of disagree with a lot of this
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Which leads me into Peter. I don't think it was weak or stupid for him to hesitate. Arthur was his father, and no matter what the man has done Peter cannot hate him completely. He wasn't just stopping his father, he was taking his life. Which, I know you said you don't blame him for hesitating, but I'm just reiterating I think it was completely the correct reaction for him to have. I already said in the episode discussion thread that I liked Sylar intervening, and I did. Peter pulled the trigger, there is nothing that can take that away. But I disagree that it was all drama. I think Sylar was actually doing Peter a favor. He even point blank said to Peter that Peter's not a killer, but he is. For all Peter was struggling with it, he still made the decision that he would kill his father, but at the last minute Sylar absolved him of it. I'm happy about that, for Peter's sake, because I don't think he should have to live with knowing he's his father's murderer. Even if he sort of still is. As for why they still used the
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For all Peter was struggling with it, he still made the decision that he would kill his father, but at the last minute Sylar absolved him of it. I'm happy about that, for Peter's sake, because I don't think he should have to live with knowing he's his father's murderer.
And yet I still found it to be deus ex machinay and not in the "Claude in Peter's hallway to keep him away from his brother and Mohinder" good way (why? Because. That's why. I'm lame). Plus, and it may seem absolutely horrible of me, I think that if it was right for Peter to shoot his father, he should likewise have to deal with the fact that he killed his father. Yes, I often complain about all the hell the writers put Peter through, and how they don't let him deal with it. But once in a while, like with Claire, I would like him to really feel the consequences of his actions, even the ones that are "right". Sylar doing what he did is equivalent to me to Nathan swooping in at Kirby Plaza: just a way of keeping Peter in that role of the guy that needs to be taken care
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This is me probably thinking too much, but I actually think Peter did show character development last night and was rewarded for it. At the end of Season 1, Nathan swooped in and flew Peter off because, you're right, at the end Peter couldn't take care of himself. He was unable to control his powers and needed either Claire to kill him or his brother to save him. But I think the correct scene to say is a repetition of that moment isn't with Peter and Sylar, it was with Peter and the Haitian. The Haitian offered to step in and kill Arthur for him, but Peter said no, it was his responsibility. And Peter followed through on that and pulled the trigger. When Sylar stepped in, he didn't do it because he thought Peter needed to be taken care of-- which is what The Haitian's offer was. Peter had already pulled the trigger and was willing to accept responsibility, control, and the consequences of his own actions. Sylar didn't even show up until after Peter had already proven himself
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Heck, I don't even watch this show but you made me care. Because there's been some discussion over there, I linked this at DMV, hope that's okay with you. Let me know if not.
And I'm seeing Firefly references around here, which is always nice...
Heh, it's fine with me, although why they'd be terribly interested into what basically boils down to me bitching about the fact that my favorite character has not come back. And I do keep meaning to check back in at DMV, but I honestly haven't done much Reaper...thinking, watching, writing, anything since Heroes came back. Once there are new episodes, I seriously will, it's just...well, having all my passions aflaring for one show seriously compromises my ability focus on the fandom aspects of others.
Firefly references like the one above? ;) I do so love that icon.
Okay, I just got in from a hellish day of photocopying, so I've been randomly scrolling through this while simultaneously trying to get in a happy mood (which I really need right now
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Heh, I'm starting to think I may just be the only person who didn't like this episode. Well. The only person who is not entirely invested in Elle or shipping her with Sylar.
Although I never saw the bridge scene as being the definitive moment where Bennet realizes that he loves Claire, just one of a natural progression.
Which I realize is what I've been implying, but not what I actually meant. Somehow. I mean: I agree with you on the natural progression part. I've seen the bridge scene as a major push for Bennet in the direction of accepting Claire as his own, and loving her, and putting her above that identity as a Company Man, but it's by no means definitive.
And I get the other stuff. I really, really do. If I were a big Sylar fan, I would probably be thrilled by this. Doubly so if I were a Peter/Sylar fan; he saved him from having to kill his father! They might not be brothers after all, or maybe half brothers, but either way, less icky! Hurray! But since I am neither of those things, and evil!Sylar bores me (well, to be fair
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*sigh* Oh Bennet. He's seeming less and less awesome sometimes, to me. He really, really is.
This is true; and even with all my issues with it, I did get a lot more enjoyment out of this season than last season. Which, in a sense, I guess you could say, makes it a better season. I guess. Exactly; Adam is dead, Elle is dead, Maya is...off in New Jersey. Monica is off in New Orleans, presumably. So...overall...we're almost back to the status quo of S1. The only significant change has been Peter's lose of his powers, and his development of a personality.
Really, really pointless. Like, you're going to bring back Isaac and his sketchbook for that? Seriously? At least the paintings were mysterious for a while, and open to interpretation. Of course, next season, when they need another precog, they're going to send Bennet out on the hunt for...for Isaac's fingerpaintings from kindergarten. Or something
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But, of course, I'm sticking around too. Because I'm still attached. And there's no way I'm leaving you guys. And Claude might come back.
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I hate those small details. It's almost worst than the big crappy details. Because it's episodes like last week's, and segments like the Hiro with his mom parts, that make me think someone in that writer's room knows what they're doing, and what annoys us. Which makes the rest of the stuff more disappointing.
Plus my slowly dwindling faith that Claude will ever come back is making me sad. I almost hope that when he does he is killed off, so I don't have to cling to the hope that he'll come back again, the next time things get bad. But oh well. The show going on in my mind is so much better than the actual one.
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You definitely know I've had my problems with the show this season, and there are plenty of examples where they pissed on logic and commom-sense and continuity. It's why my first reaction was to hate The Hunger. But, in terms of last night's episode specifically, I actually kind of disagree with a lot of this ( ... )
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And yet I still found it to be deus ex machinay and not in the "Claude in Peter's hallway to keep him away from his brother and Mohinder" good way (why? Because. That's why. I'm lame). Plus, and it may seem absolutely horrible of me, I think that if it was right for Peter to shoot his father, he should likewise have to deal with the fact that he killed his father. Yes, I often complain about all the hell the writers put Peter through, and how they don't let him deal with it. But once in a while, like with Claire, I would like him to really feel the consequences of his actions, even the ones that are "right". Sylar doing what he did is equivalent to me to Nathan swooping in at Kirby Plaza: just a way of keeping Peter in that role of the guy that needs to be taken care ( ... )
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And I'm seeing Firefly references around here, which is always nice...
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Firefly references like the one above? ;) I do so love that icon.
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Although I never saw the bridge scene as being the definitive moment where Bennet realizes that he loves Claire, just one of a natural progression.
Which I realize is what I've been implying, but not what I actually meant. Somehow. I mean: I agree with you on the natural progression part. I've seen the bridge scene as a major push for Bennet in the direction of accepting Claire as his own, and loving her, and putting her above that identity as a Company Man, but it's by no means definitive.
And I get the other stuff. I really, really do. If I were a big Sylar fan, I would probably be thrilled by this. Doubly so if I were a Peter/Sylar fan; he saved him from having to kill his father! They might not be brothers after all, or maybe half brothers, but either way, less icky! Hurray! But since I am neither of those things, and evil!Sylar bores me (well, to be fair ( ... )
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*sigh* Oh Bennet. He's seeming less and less awesome sometimes, to me. He really, really is.
This is true; and even with all my issues with it, I did get a lot more enjoyment out of this season than last season. Which, in a sense, I guess you could say, makes it a better season. I guess. Exactly; Adam is dead, Elle is dead, Maya is...off in New Jersey. Monica is off in New Orleans, presumably. So...overall...we're almost back to the status quo of S1. The only significant change has been Peter's lose of his powers, and his development of a personality.
Really, really pointless. Like, you're going to bring back Isaac and his sketchbook for that? Seriously? At least the paintings were mysterious for a while, and open to interpretation. Of course, next season, when they need another precog, they're going to send Bennet out on the hunt for...for Isaac's fingerpaintings from kindergarten. Or something ( ... )
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