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[virdilak]

I am deeply goddamn tired of reading shit from people who have convinced themselves that they know better than doctors with regards to whatever issues they think they have. The internet is a bad place, and it spills out into the real world way too quick

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[seyrah]

Agreed that people are often too quick to trust the internet.

But neither do I advocate that they blindly follow doctors' opinions, either. There have been plenty, plenty of bad medicines dispensed by doctors over the years whose effects were worse than what they were intended to treat. The difference is getting an educated second opinion versus an internet one.

Vaccinations used to have a high mercury content for preservative purposes, and some still do--and there's not really any good reason for that. Parents do a good thing by knowing what is in the vaccines and making sure their kids aren't being given the semi-toxic versions.

[virdilak]

Knowing what is in the vaccines and not getting the toxic version /= refusing to vaccinate your kids because OMG autism.

it's the health insurance scheme

[manitor]

I have read about doctors and health insurance companies refusing to provide non-mercury vaccines because the mercury vaccines are covered.

Antilife <3's mercury.

So, if someone is poor or even just normal and their health insurance says they won't cover anything but the mercury vaccine, do they feel like driving across town and paying $100-1000 for one or several boosters given by a doctor who won't see them anyway because they are coming in without their health insurance card because their insurance company won't cover...

Same old crap from the health insurance scum. Don't blame the peons.

Re: it&#39;s the health insurance scheme

[virdilak]

I blame the peons for being irresponsible enough that they endanger everyone by having an un-vaccinated kid running around.

[virdilak]

As it should be, for any thinking human.

[seyrah]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. They have reduced the amount of mercury in vaccines given to children, but not eliminated it entirely. There are still trace amounts in some varieties of the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, and whooping cough) vaccine, as well as some of the varieties of that vaccine that are broken apart into its constituent pieces, some of the HepA/HepB vaccines, and, as you noted, in most varieties of the flu vaccine, which yes, has been routinely given to kids. Look it up on the FDA's website. Am I saying this causes autism? No. But I doubt it is good for you. Am I saying you shouldn't vaccinate your kids? Absolutely not. But neither should people who are suspicious of blanket drug administration be viewed as completely off their rockers. (edited for formatting only)

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[manitor]

Oh, looks like seyrah did my work for me (see her post below). I was right: what has happened is the FDA (i.e. the government arm of big pharm) has used the "serving size" trick to claim no mercury in vaccines when in fact there is still mercury in vaccines. Surprise surprise, kids on autism get behavior problems for which big pharm has pricey drugs available

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[l_c_h_a_n]

Y'know, I was a smart kid. I was in MENSA, I was in the honor's program, I got straight A's and everything. And y'know what? I drank tap water with mercury in it. I got shots from the cheapest damn places because it's all my parents could afford. And I got EVERY SHOT.

Yes, they probably had mercury in them. I ate government food too that probably had all sorts of bad things in it. And you know what? I turned out just fine. I'm an intelligent, logical human being who is not only alive but thriving.

My sister, on the other hand, was born premature with a life-threatening genetic disability called William's Syndrome that could have stopped her heart as soon as she was out of the womb. She still got every shot, and it didn't effect her disability at all. (And before you ask, yes, we knew she had it from birth. The facial traits are very recognizable.

So before you start spouting how you don't want your children poisoned by your government or pharmecutical companies or wtfever, stop and think about how people survived before all this.

[hubbit]

Just found this: Countering antivaxxers

The only thing I can possibly add to this discussion (you know where my arguments are coming from, being part of a people whose greatest aspiration is to graduate med school) is to point out the undeniable fact that, since immunization programs were started decades ago, we have not seen the scourges of diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, et al, that decimated pockets of the juvenile population on a semiregular basis just a century ago

[seoulinlimbo]

Doctors/trained medical professionals are clueless because they have not read the same webpages I have.