[stargate sg-1] On the Goa'uld, Ancients, and nonsensical timelines
Those of you who do not like Stargate: SG-1, skip this post because you will just be mightily confused. But if you like Stargate: Atlantis, any insight you can give me would be awesome ...? =D
( so there was this race of headsnakes that took over Earth ... )
( so there was this race of headsnakes that took over Earth ... )
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No, there is a separate set if symbols that are specific to that Galaxy. As you know, seven of the symbols have to be encoded to open a regular gate. An eighth symbol must be used in order to get to another galaxy. Any regular gate can do this, but you need a pretty big power supply in order to make the connection. Something they could only do once until after they explored Atlantis.
The strategic value of Earth was not very much to the Goa'uld. The main thing we provided was hosts for them. Of course it became a pretty large threat when humanity started traveling the stars on their own. But by that time large population segments were settled on other planets, other factions like the Asgard took up more attention, and the Goa'uld were not exactly supportive of each other except in their own self interest.
Atlantis is a pretty good show. I consider it complementary to the original SG-1 series.
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a pretty big power supply in order to make the connection. Something they could only do once until after they explored Atlantis.
So would a ZPM work for this? Would a boost of that level burn out a ZPM? Do the SG:A folks have a ZPM? All I know about them is Jack built something like a temporary one in The Fifth Race and that they went through a lot of trouble and handwaving and ridiculousness to obtain a ZPM in Moebius.
I agree with your assessment that Earth was just a source for convenient slaves rather than a strategic point, although clearly it was a pivotal world for them - not only did it provide population for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Goa'uld-ruled worlds, but they also derived their defining personas from Tau'ri mythology. I'll always be a bit curious about the Tau'ri revolt from the Goa'uld's POV (especially Ra's).
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I don't think that the Goa'uld's took from Tau'ri mythology as much as they gave us it. Earth was a bunch of nomad villages until Ra showed up first. Some Goa'uld actually were lost on Earth. One was in a Mayan sarcophogus and another became a cult leader.
The other worlds were long established before the uprising occured with Ra. It might have been that putting down the revolt was not worth the effort, hence he left. Maybe if they knew about the south pole, they would have had another reason to stay. Given that Norse mythology which happens thousands of years later from Egyptian mythology, I would think that Asgard involvement in Earth Development (and definitely as the Greys aliens we know from Roswell) would have been enough to keep the Goa'uld away.
Atlantis is worth the watch.
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I have to agree re: mythology and Goa'ulds. I've seen people take it both ways and I think the show itself (and the associated books) have taken it both ways as well, but I'm inclined to say that the Goa'uld arrived on a freshly-thawed post-Ice-Age Earth and took whatever fledgeling mythology existed (worship of the sun, for instance) and inflated it. It does explain why the mythology of Earth is so fantastically weird.
Oooh, I didn't even consider the Asgard! But yeah, if the Asgard started their outreach around the same time as the uprising (or a little afterwards), it would certainly deter the Goa'uld from striking back at Earth.
IF I GO TO DRAGON*CON CAN I DRESS UP AS DANIEL JACKSON OR WILL PEOPLE LAUGH AT A GIRL DRESSING UP AS HIM?
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Yes, there are seperate symbols for the gates in the Atlantis galaxy (and any other galaxy for that matter). A ZPM is the exact power source needed to power the gate to allow it to dial to another galaxy. The Atlantis folks eventually get themselves acouple more ZPMs, but there are always issues with having enough ZPMs to power the city and shenanigans ensue, etc etc. The show starts out with Stargate command having one ZPM that they got off-world, which powers the Earth gate enough for one trip to Atlantis, and so the team goes off, but doesn't have enough power to gate back to Earth with the ZPMs present in the city.
There is also apparently a 9th symbol which dials to an Ancient ship, which makes stargates and will be the basis for the new Stargate Universe show that's coming out in the fall.
Anyway, I really love Stargate Atlantis, especially since I think seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 went pretty down hill.
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Hmm. the whole 8th symbol thing makes sense to me - you could equate it to an international code (1=America, etc) nowadays, although at the time of The Fifth Race they equated it to an area code (oh, the days of the 7-digit phone numbers! Notice that nowadays we don't put the area code in parentheses usually?). Sam says it adds a 'distance calculation' to the address, so what it makes me think is that it's six points which point you to the right planet, the seventh which points you to the right galaxy, and then the eighth chevron for the Point of Origin. So this ninth symbol, I wonder what that means! Would ten symbols let you leap universes (that is, enter an alternate universe?) I am curious!
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From what I've read online about the new Stargate Universe show, it turns out that they found an unmanned Ancient ship which manufactures stargates and flies around to different glaxies to put them on planets. So I think the idea behind the new show is that each season the ship will be in a different galaxy and there won't be an ongoing bad guy like the Goa'uld in SG-1 or the Wraith in Atlantis. So I assume the whole 9th symbol thing will be explained in the first episodes of Universe, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a symbol which is only used to go to these special stargate making ships. But it could also be seen as an extra, extra way to calculate distance, since the ship is supposed to be really far away and flying around galaxies that have never had stargates before.
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BTW - I voted for you in CCom's D-Gray Man contest:)
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I ... I totally want to cosplay Daniel. I KNOW I KNOW BUT I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE FUN
thanks for the vote! I'm really curious what the results will be!
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... as it happens I have a short-hair wig that, once properly dyed, would look remarkably like DJ's hairstyle post S3. Although my current hairstyle also resembles DJ's early hairstyle, so ... options? Or should I just back away slowly? XD
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So ... are humans descendants of Ancients? Or are they a whole race apart from us? Is Earth actually just like ... a human outpost, like the Ancients brought a bunch of humans here from Pegasus and left us to populate the planet while they Ascended? Did the Ancients come to the Milky Way galaxy to escape the Wraiths, then? Why did they Ascend? And why did they freaking landmine our galaxy with their techology going wonky on us?
... okay that last question isn't serious, but if SG:A can cast any more light on the Ancients, I am all for it.
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