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[veratien]

At the arseholes that say that it's better for the brazilian guy to have been killed than for him to possibly have had a bomb on him and detonated it, explain to me this:

IF A MAN IS PINNED TO THE FUCKING FLOOR BY THREE GUYS WITH GUNS, WHY DOES IT THEN TAKE 8 FUCKING SHOTS INTO THE BACK OF HIS HEAD TO PREVENT HIM BEING A THREAT TO OTHER PEOPLE,

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[gothicat]

detonatino. He doesnt have to have his hands free to detonate a bomb.

argumnent one: they could have disabled him by shooting his knees.
answer: not quick enough and leaves his hands free

argument two: holding him down, how could he activate
answer: i dont know all ways bombs can be detonated but you do not need your hands free to do so, in the shoe, pocket, somewhere else on personal personage, the easiest way to stop someone from detonating is to kill them

argument three: why did it take so many bullets?
answer: one to the head doesnt gurentee death, you can attempt suicide with a gun to the head and you can miss the vital points, the more bullets, the greater the chance of death.

[veratien]

re: pre-argument: All of the bombs so far have used hand held detonators.

So yes, he would have to have his hands free. And if it was a timed bomb, it could have gone off anyway.

re: 3: one shot, maybe he'd survive, two he's 99.9% dead, three is pushing it a bit, 8 is "you're going to die and I'm going to kill you because I hate you, you suspected terrorist foreigner scum", not "we need to take him out because he could kill people!

[gothicat]

apparently the least to use is 5 in force .. plus everyones saying he was a nice man and wouldnt hurt anyone why run from police after they have identifyed themselves as police if your innocent?

all in all, its happned now, nothing we can do about it

[veratien]

why run from police after they have identifyed themselves as police if your innocent?

It's called panic, and, of course, no-one who's not a policeman has ever shouted "stop, police" before, have they!

And 'sides, there's no proof it actually was a policeman that did it.

[lavandergirl]

Wake up and take a *good* look at the world, theirs no such thing as "SUFFICIENTLY SUPRESSED" with suicide bombers, their are as many triggers as their are ideas you *have* to kill him, the more shots the better, less chance of triigering something.

This isnt about race, this is about saving lives. Their was a time when england was bombed regulary by the IRA, we executed suspected IRA members in the street, and when was the last time they bombed us?

Your fluffy nievety was cute, but now your getting on your high horse about it, and it has NO PLACE in this world.

[veratien]

Obviously not wanting this country to fall into a hole over itself because of shit like this is wrong, and being a complete and utter cunt is!

There is something called sufficiently suppressed; it's called PINNING SOMEONE TO THE FUCKING FLOOR SO THEY CAN'T FUCKING MOVE, ARSEHAT! This guy was SUFFICIENTLY FUCKING SUPPRESSED!

Oh, and either get a fucking dictionary, or spell check your posts with preview, because sometimes your comments are fucking unintelligible!

[lavandergirl]

*think* about it for 5 seconds, you CANT supress someone so they cant move an inch, it just isnt possible, what if the trigger is in his hand, or strapped to his wrist, in the back of his knee, in his armpit, in his shoe... can *you* stop a guy from moving every single muscle in his body?

[lord_blipvert]

Their was a time when england was bombed regulary by the IRA, we executed suspected IRA members in the street, and when was the last time they bombed us?Um, I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that the Republican Movement largely supported the peace process as a more effective way of achieving it's aims. Even INLA called a ceasefire. And the ex-Provo mavericks (Continuity IRA, Real IRA) simply don't have the manpower or the resources to launch a major campaign on the British mainland. I'd suggest checking out what the IRA said at the time of the shooting. I'm paraphrasing but essentially it was "we don't object to this happening. We're at a war and we'd do the same. We merely ask you stop pretending otherwise

[imdaewen]

Was you there?
No.

Everyone is entitled to there opinions Vera, you think the police involved were wrong. I think they were within there rights to use deadly force.

Did they go overboard with spraying the guy with bullets?
Five-Eight is a bit excessive.

Just be glad that you didnt have to be there to make the decision in the little time you had. Sure, it could have gone a lot better and officers will be probably be put on courses to help them think appropiately in these situations, they have made a mistake and they will learn about it. But it could have also gone horribly wrong.

[taliesin89]

I dunno. I think the whole situation is really messed up.

[imdaewen]

The entire planet is messed up...

[taliesin89]

As always.

[veratien]

Fucking planet...

[rssefuirosu]

K Vera, the thing is, once you put one shot into his head you might as well empty the clip to be sure, because really, what difference does it make?

Unless you've been to all of the briefings that these officers (I didn't say police) have been to, you aren't able to make a value judgement over this.

However, I'd like to know what you would have said if he had turned out to be a suicide bomber. If you still would have said "they shouldn't have shot him" then you are entitled to this opinion.

Also, if you really want to know what it's like, fuck living in London, go live in Israel for a while.

[zully]

once you put one shot into his head you might as well empty the clip to be sure, because really, what difference does it make?

Loads, actually. My girlfriend was shot once in the head and killed; her friend was shot three times in the head and lived. Number of bullets doesn't really matter much, it's all placement and aim and a damn lot of luck.

[rssefuirosu]

Sorry, my point was, once there has been one bullet fired by the police, it is a statement of intention to kill and therefore the suspect will be dead by the end of it either way.

[veratien]

*hugs*