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fiwen1010 April 5 2011, 13:13:16 UTC
I can't believe them when they say that someone will die any more. No one stays dead in the Doctor Who universe anyway.

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verasteine April 5 2011, 13:17:57 UTC
True or not true, I don't like the way they announce it or the idea. You may well be right, but I think it's still a shitty thing to do.

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fiwen1010 April 5 2011, 13:32:13 UTC
I think it's worse, because they're just playing with us. Kill them, then bring them back, and then kill them again, and then... *Ragefaec* And the ones we don't want to go are the only ones who stay gone.

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verasteine April 5 2011, 13:33:38 UTC
Playing with the people who are paying your salary. Yeah, Moffat's a real class act with that one. *Rageface* describes my expression pretty well, too, I think.

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jo02 April 5 2011, 13:47:15 UTC

I just read the article in question and couldn't agree more. It's almost 2 years and I still haven't recovered from being fucked over by the Torchwood powers-that-be, and yet it still came as a bit of a shock to me that they are applying the same tactics now to DW, something that I thought - erroneously, obviously - was safe from being dragged through the dirt for a cheap boost to viewing figures.

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verasteine April 5 2011, 13:52:04 UTC
I had the exact same flashback to TW. Didn't think Moffat was going to repeat that little funfest, but hey, rinse, repeat, after all. Ugh.

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xtricks April 5 2011, 22:54:31 UTC
Well, from the POV of the producers and the writers -- CoE was a huge success. A lot of people watched it, it got critical acclaim and helped boost T'wood into an American production (for better or worse).

And a good many genre writers (and genre writing books) talk about the importance of shaking up the reader via shock value. I think it's a cop-out, similar to threatening the cute blond child, to cover bad plotting or writing but it's very much a part of the way people think stories are supposed to go.

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verasteine April 6 2011, 17:08:44 UTC
Oh, absolutely, on paper, CoE was a success. And that might be the reason why Moffat is thinking of repeating it. But yeah, cheap writing is still cheap writing -- the cracks are gonna show. I'm not thinking that my desire for different types of storytelling will have enough sway to matter, btw.

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caladria April 5 2011, 14:23:16 UTC
Writer. Not producer. He's a writer who happens by merit of this to also hold executive producer status.

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verasteine April 5 2011, 14:25:47 UTC
I'm pretty sure that this is a decision that he made as a writer as well as an executive producer, since killing off a character is pretty major.

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caladria April 5 2011, 18:46:03 UTC
It's connotations, not denotations. Calling [person] a producer has connotations of a suit in an office, making business decisions - whereas a writer gets to make decisions based on creative vision. I mean, the intention was probably to demonise him and suggest that he's making a purely business decision, but he's the writer exec producer - the suit execs are Piers Wenger and Beth Willis.

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taffimai April 5 2011, 14:28:26 UTC
Hmmm. See, I don't mind someone trying to promote their work in the way they think will be most effective to the larger audience.

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verasteine April 5 2011, 15:01:04 UTC
That's a point of view, and I can understand it. I find it personally very annoying, but I can see where you're coming from.

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lefaym April 5 2011, 20:49:28 UTC
Even if that means being a jerk?

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taffimai April 6 2011, 14:30:39 UTC
I haven't seen any comments from him that qualify as being a jerk. But hypothetically? Yes. He has a job to do. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed, but "being a jerk" is not one of them.

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fide_et_spe April 5 2011, 19:19:51 UTC
Erm but haven't we seen the end of River Song? Or am I being thick? It just seems a bit tedious to me. I guess maybe I'm so scarred after CoE that I have compassion fatigue, but I read that and just thought "yeah, whatever, nothing you can do to me anymore."

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verasteine April 6 2011, 17:09:49 UTC
Yeah, we have seen the end of River Song. The thing is, I was looking forward to the sort of happy, bouncy drama that DW can be, and then they came with "warning: death". Now I'm all, blah, go away now, again :(.

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lawsontl April 7 2011, 15:27:10 UTC
Yeah, I don't like what this bodes for the series. Death, darkness, drama... that's what I LOVED about last series. It got away from the whole man!pain dark Doctor and gave him lift again. If turns into another emo Gally boy, I'm going to give up.

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