medications and animal testing.

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A serious sorta-survey

Comments

[dagda_ollathir]

what is up with people posting hot-button issues lately?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-chaitowitz/an-animal-advocate-explai_b_171845.html
is written by my late co-worker.

medicine has come along DESPITE animal testing. it's time to change.

[cannibalcountry]

Data shows though that animal testing produces fewer, lower quality drugs. I don't know about the cost effectiveness of the two... (and so far, you haven't produced any evidence that animal testing is cheaper).
One of the reasons I think animal testing is bullshit is that most of the diseases people are dealing with are diet/lifestyle related. People eat animals - which causes them to get sick (with the highest frequency diseases) and then they kill MORE animals to save their asses. Somehow, I don't see how that's fair. I realize not every disease is diet or lifestyle related but why do human beings feel like they have to keep everyone alive? It's natural for people to die from diseases. Humans shouldn't impose their fear of death on other animals.

[matt_nothing]

"Animal testing certainly isn't perfect, but the data is useful, and better than nothing. What do you intend to replace it with? Killing people?"

Your statement is ill-informed, shortsighted, and speciesist. I'm sure I didn't have to tell you this, though - you've got it aaaaalllll figured out.

[matt_nothing]

I prefer the sarcasm - I'm sure dagda's provided enough facts that you've either chosen to ignore or not.

"What do you intend to replace it with? Killing people?"

speciesist. But I'm sure I didn't have to point that out to you, a vegan.

[alyssa22]

Maybe people should be encouraged to take responsibility for their own health by actually living healthy lifestyles. Admittedly not all conditions can be avoided, but there are plenty of things that people are overly medicated for that they bring on themselves by eating crap and not actually doing any exercise. Why should animals pay the price because humans are too lazy to look after themselves, and would rather get heart disease, etc, etc, from eating crap, smoking, sitting on their butts all day every day?

[tanukisuit]

I don't know about that, I'm active, I work out a lot, and I eat healthy... yet I still have a high blood pressure and heart rate. It's really frustrating when people say that if only people are active/eat right/etc. they would get healthy, but it's not always true.

[alyssa22]

Yeah, that's a different situation, though. There are a lot of people who really do have problems that are caused by their own bad eating habits/inactivity.

I feel your pain though. I have the opposite. Low blood pressure. I had a doctor check my blood pressure recently and she said "Oh, it's a bit high for you!" and it was 90 over 48 or something. Yes, that's high for me! High enough for it to be an obvious difference to her.

[tanukisuit]

That must be a pain! Make sure you "dangle" as you get older (sitting at the edge of the bed or chair for awhile before rising after sitting for awhile) so you don't fall over when you get up.

[alyssa22]

Haha. If something wakes me up -- a noise, the phone, whatever -- and I sit up really quickly, I almost black out. Some days it's okay, but there are times when it leaves me totally out of it for the whole day.

I guess I should be happy that I don't high blood pressure.

[cannibalcountry]

Why do you think sickly human beings are more entitled to live than healthy animals?

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Uh, I think you may have read their comment incorrectly because no where did I pick up a "know it all" attitude. In fact they've stayed pretty calm and non snarky/sarcastic when stating their opinion and the facts they have discovered in their own research. Where as other members, ::cough, you and perhaps an other one:: have gone straight for the aggressive attack in your reply.

[matt_nothing]

Isn't advocating for the survival of ones own species regardless the cost to the wellbeing of another species the definition of speciesism?

[_melodic_]

I understand where you are coming from and agree for the most part but I don't think that was their intention, they never outright said that persay.

I didn't intend to sound speciesist. However, I believe that reducing animal testing would lead to increased deaths of people.

Reardless of that, I believe we should still ban animal testing.

No where do they state that human lives are more important than animals, or at least I didn't pick up on that. I just think there is better ways to debate opinions and information/date both parties have have found and wish to discuss than going on the attack off the bat which it appeared you did.

I prefer the sarcasm - I'm sure dagda's provided enough facts that you've either chosen to ignore or not.Really? There are bigger battles to pick and the user wasn't ignoring their information, in fact they responded to it and even looked and accessed the links that were provided. I usually really like you on vegansnark (and agree with you), but right now I just think you're being overly sarcastic, kind

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